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**dipshit** · 30th October 2009, 10:09

Originally Posted by oldrider

What's so wrong about personal responsibility and personal choice?

A lot of motorcyclists have shit for brains. That's what's wrong with personal choice.

You think our ACC is going up high now...!!! Imagine what it would have been like if BRONZ had gotten its way.

**dipshit** · 30th October 2009, 10:26

Originally Posted by oldrider

What's so wrong about personal responsibility and personal choice?

Oh, and personal responsibility. How much personal responsibility do you think you will be exercising when you are vegetable and the state is having to pay someone to wipe your arse for the rest of your life..??

Yeah, look at the big tough motorcyclist.

**oldrider** · 30th October 2009, 18:51

Originally Posted by dipshit

A lot of motorcyclists have shit for brains. That's what's wrong with personal choice.

You think our ACC is going up high now...!!! Imagine what it would have been like if BRONZ had gotten its way.

Originally Posted by dipshit

Oh, and personal responsibility. How much personal responsibility do you think you will be exercising when you are vegetable and the state is having to pay someone to wipe your arse for the rest of your life..??

Yeah, look at the big tough motorcyclist.

So many men, so many opinions, you expressed yours, I expressed mine! (as we do on KB)

Some people need rules because they are devoid of original thought and unable to make decisions for themselves!

As motorcyclists, if we (you and I) both fucked up today and became vegetables and the state had to pay someone to wipe our arse's for the rest of our lives!

Your arse wiping would cost the State (ACC) a lot more than mine!

So who is the greater risk to your precious state, you or me? Obviously, YOU!

So why should I be subsidising you! :slap:

BTW, I don't remember claiming to be a big tough motorcyclist but I do confess to the odd wank (as you suggest) during my life!

Doesn't bother me when you resort to that sort of attack but if it makes you feel stronger, please feel free to indulge yourself!

Perhaps you should try it occasionally, it might help clear your head of all those "socialistic collective state control thoughts" you keep promoting!

**nothingflash** · 30th October 2009, 18:58

Originally Posted by oldrider

Your arse wiping would cost the State (ACC) a lot more than mine!

I know of a guy who head dived down a stair case on the jars watching Jackass - he's now paralysed from the neck down. ACC paid his care giver $90,000 last financial year plus "benefits".

**dipshit** · 30th October 2009, 19:11

Originally Posted by oldrider

BTW, I don't remember claiming to be a big tough motorcyclist but I do confess to the odd wank (as you suggest) during my life!

I was referring to all those riders that ride around without a helmet on trying to look cool and tough.

Personal responsibility my ass. The only way they could claim to be taking responsibility for themselves is if they signed a waiver that all medical costs and future care giving would be covered out of their own pocket. Yeah right.

**Fluffy Cat** · 30th October 2009, 19:28

Hehe, most non helmet accidents dont make it to OR, so, no rise in ACC. But you can still be useful. Always carry your doner card. Head injuries good for heart, lungs, livers etc. Personally wearing a helmet should be up to the individual. Even more true these days due to the high levels of "education". Bit like informed consent.....hehe......

**oldrider** · 30th October 2009, 19:56

Originally Posted by dipshit

I was referring to all those riders that ride around without a helmet on trying to look cool and tough.

Personal responsibility my ass. The only way they could claim to be taking responsibility for themselves is if they signed a waiver that all medical costs and future care giving would be covered out of their own pocket. Yeah right.

ACC took away the right of individuals to be personally responsible!

ACC being a "no blame" scheme means we can't sue anyone for compensation!

(I think) That means ACC can't sue anyone either but the government it seems, can make up their own rules and charge "levies", which is a suit by proxy IMO.

Helen Clark was a prick at this devious "levy" business, John (Helen) Key (spot the difference) has taken up her cause, with even greater gusto!

A "levy" is just another way of expressing a "Clayton" tax!

Somewhere on KB, there is a clip of an intersection in India that looks like total chaos but personal responsibility and consequence means very few accidents!

Try that in "me me dog eat dog, rule book mad and excessive law crazy" New Zealand! Yeah right! (now that's a "real" tui moment)

**carver** · 30th October 2009, 20:09

Originally Posted by oldrider

What's so wrong about personal responsibility and personal choice?

I wear a helmet to protect me from the elements!

Oh, and it will be helpful if something "does" go wrong and I crash as well.

If I could add up all the Km I would have done in 55 years of riding bikes.

Then divide it by the number of times I have needed a helmet due to crashing it would be a lot of Km's per crash!

So the times I needed my helmet for safety is pretty small compared to the number of km ridden!

Mind you not having one in that first instant could shorten the odds!

I ride to ride, crashing is an unplanned by product!

Can't remember when the law came in re crash helmets but up till then I never even owned one!

I am not against crash helmets, I always wear one!

Especially since a fellow I knew fell off his bike while sitting on it in his garage.

He killed himself by banging his head on the little pipe sticking out of the floor, for the garage door bolt!

The first job my helmet does though is protect me from the elements, the second is protect me from the unexpected!

The choice to wear it is mine, to me the law is secondary, it is "my" responsibility to look after my self. That is the point I am trying to make here.

as always, we can agree on the above points

**rustic101** · 30th October 2009, 20:50

You pays your money you takes your chance.

I do what I can to avoid or mitigate an accident - However there are just some things that are beyond our control, and at that moment in time I just hope Karma is not waiting for me

The last few were very good, loved the head plant into the back of the truck.

**oldrider** · 30th October 2009, 21:26

Originally Posted by rustic101

You pays your money you takes your chance.

I do what I can to avoid or mitigate an accident - However there are just some things that are beyond our control, and at that moment in time I just hope Karma is not waiting for me

The last few were very good, loved the head plant into the back of the truck.

I think that site is like chicken little running around with his head up his arse screaming "motorbikes are dangerous"!

The most danger any of us face in life is "conception", holy shit if we can get through that, motorcycling is a fucking breeze by comparison!

What you think about happens, so I am not going to waste good riding time by thinking about fucking crashing!

I am going to flood my tiny brain with thoughts of RIDING, damn it, RIDING! Magic bloody motorbike riding, I love it!--

--John.

**davebullet** · 31st October 2009, 06:46

Legislation is never about protecting yourself. It is about protecting others from the actions of people too stupid to care.

**dipshit** · 31st October 2009, 09:26

Originally Posted by davebullet

Legislation is never about protecting yourself. It is about protecting others from the actions of people too stupid to care.

Exactly...

**Owl** · 31st October 2009, 18:03

Originally Posted by Hitcher

Don't forget that compulsory helmet-wearing states in the USA can be counted on one's fingers.

For sure, if you have five hands.

**wbks** · 31st October 2009, 19:27

Originally Posted by PrincessBandit

Like your meat raw do you?

Eeeek, even having seen some of those images before they were really disturbing. Even more so with the blank image squares saying "your picture here". I think I will endeavour to ride to live thank you very much.

I also think it wouldn't be a bad idea for riders (especially new/inexperienced ones) to view some of those photos as they show the reality vs the imagined bulletproof image some people have of themselves. And anyone who thinks it is a romanticised way to go i.e. "died doing what they love" might think again seeing the end results.

So you have to look pretty for the coroner for dying doing what you love to be desirable? Should be personal choice IMO. Its your fuckin body, do what you with it.

**dipshit** · 3rd November 2009, 10:17

Originally Posted by oldrider

What's so wrong about personal responsibility and personal choice?

Here's a good example. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=246341 He was very lucky not to end up a vegetable. And check out his $600,000. hospital bill so far.

Then divide it by the number of times I have needed a helmet due to crashing it would be a lot of Km's per crash!

So the times I needed my helmet for safety is pretty small compared to the number of km ridden!

It only takes one time to fuck up your life.