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    Quote Originally Posted by wickle View Post
    And renovations!
    Which Nationality of MOB/Mafia is most prevalent in this here corner of the globe, seems to me quite useful information to have regardless of the case!

    Quote Originally Posted by DangerousBastard View Post
    Well you probably can, and should he call the police and you have lots and lots of paperwork available the fuzz might hesitate to lay charges at you. What is the worst that can happen?

    This will fuck off his finance company enormously too. I think what would benefit you most, is a group of like-minded individuals to try and take advantage of him at every turn.

    Steve
    Well, worst case would be I get deported and banned from NZ... The hazards of being a non-citizen/resident...

    I think like-minded individuals really messing with him could actually be a great tactic, I have in fact been looking for some time off from work to fly down to CC just to go ahead and picket him, even looking into what it would cost to open an ad in the flyer he posts his dealership in advertising his unpaid court order and telling him it will be removed as soon as the money comes through, this one is a tough sell but I just happen to be friends with the girl who does the layouts for the whole flyer, so it may actually be able to happen *knock on wood*.

    Quote Originally Posted by aliciak View Post
    Also reading an earlier post, I have done a lot of research on this guy, I even know his address and everything. Also, he is the CEO of Supervalue Cars and one thing that I found out is that you can repossess any vehicle, even if it is owned by the finance company. All the cars on his lot I have done checks on (including the one that I gave back to him due to the court order) and they are all owned by Supervalue Cars. The finance company holds it as security as I have found out. So my car that I gave back is now owned by Supervalue Cars but the security for finance is still under my name. So if I was to stop paying (which I have but I have spoken with the finance company and they have put it on hold as I do not want bad credit) and they can't change it into his name without him doing it himself, they can choose to repo it at anytime, and so could I, but I don't want to because I just want to be rid of it and the finance with it So yes you can repo anything if it is owned by finance
    Great info, check you pm's.



    Quote Originally Posted by imdying View Post
    Any luck so far?

    If not, you need to ring collections (they have an 0800 number) to get the payment order enforced. You'll need to file for a distress warrant to allow the bailiffs down here to seize goods, and you'll need to indeminfy them, should be about $60 all up. Then they'll trot on down to this place and start taking things, fantastic fun

    /edit: I think the tools of the trade seizure is only up to $500, so go nuts.
    No luck yet and I tried to do that before putting up this post but they turned me away saying until I can figure out all assets owned and not owned directly by the company that they will do nothing, so that's kind of where I am at, been checking over the PPR and such for his full inventory and keeping a running list, but the info is not making it very clear who owns what and I can only tell so much from Auckland so I think I may need to take a little stroll on down to CC to play gumshoe so that the fun can begin!

    Looked into the tools of the trade seizure and you sire are indeed correct, it is limited to $500.

    By the way, any chance you or anyone else knows who technically owns the vehicle now and who is liable for it? I have asked Consumer Affairs, NEU, Civil Couts Division, and Motor Vehicle Disputes Tribunal and they have all shrugged and answered only with "good question"...



    Quote Originally Posted by sunhuntin View Post
    i dont know if you could list the eftpos machine cos doesnt that stay the property of the company? like, dont most businesses rent the machine?
    Many do, but some own it. I work for about 14 different companies as a contractor here and have found a few who own as well as many who rent.

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    This just goes to further highlight the total ineffectiveness of the current system. The fact is that the Government puts disproportionately more resources into recovery of fines for victimless 'crimes' like speeding where there is no party that has actually suffered a loss. People come second.

    When it comes to debt recovery after due process for others the Courts simply don't give a fuck - you have to do their job for them.

    Now, had the shonky car dealer had a speeding ticket upheld in court and subsequently hadn't paid you can be damn sure the Baliffs would be down there like a shot seizing goods to sell to cover the fine.
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    To answer your question about finding out who owns the car and who is liable, I just rang the Land Transport Agency. If it is your old car they can tell you straight out but if not then you have to make up some bull about you were wanting to buy the car but were just wanting to know how long it has been on the Supervalue Car lot When I got the appeal letter I drove past and saw the same car he was appealing on (my car) the lot for sale so I took photos and then checked out the cars beside it in the photos. You can also purchase VIR reports online, be it they do cost like $30 each, but in saying that you can see who owns the car, any security with finance and who security is under and you don't have to have any direct links to the car. In my case car is in his name and security is under mine. Did you get finance or did you just buy it cash?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aliciak View Post
    You can also purchase VIR reports online, be it they do cost like $30 each but in saying that you can see who owns the car, any security with finance and who security is under and you don't have to have any direct links to the car. In my case car is in his name and security is under mine.
    Text registration plate to FIND (3463) to check for a registered security - $1
    PPSR search for details of secured parties - $3 (I think - dirt cheap anyway)
    NZ Post for current registered owner - $2.25
    No need for a ripoff VIR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwaka_crasher View Post
    This just goes to further highlight the total ineffectiveness of the current system. The fact is that the Government puts disproportionately more resources into recovery of fines for victimless 'crimes' like speeding where there is no party that has actually suffered a loss. People come second.

    When it comes to debt recovery after due process for others the Courts simply don't give a fuck - you have to do their job for them.

    Now, had the shonky car dealer had a speeding ticket upheld in court and subsequently hadn't paid you can be damn sure the Baliffs would be down there like a shot seizing goods to sell to cover the fine.
    Your right on here K.C. I seem to remember a pretty dramatic series of ads about minuscule unpaid fines resulting in rather major consequences running almost constantly on the free view channels not long ago, and yet, no help here...

    To be completely honest, I'm shocked that the government even allows him to operate while in violation of a Court Order related to an offense against a consumer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwaka_crasher View Post
    Text registration plate to FIND (3463) to check for a registered security - $1
    PPSR search for details of secured parties - $3 (I think - dirt cheap anyway)
    NZ Post for current registered owner - $2.25
    No need for a ripoff VIR.
    Thanks for the info on that, I have done the PPSR search for about 15 vehicles on the lot and they all return empty reports and I have been hoping to find a way to get the current registered owner info without the VIR since I simply can't afford one, so this will be VERY helpful!

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    Quote Originally Posted by K9OFSTRIKEX View Post
    No luck yet and I tried to do that before putting up this post but they turned me away saying until I can figure out all assets owned and not owned directly by the company that they will do nothing, so that's kind of where I am at
    I'll check this out a little more if I get a chance.

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    Check your private messages, I've sent you the details of someone, here in Christchurch, who can hopefully help. If she can't help, you're probably screwed, but I have been assured by a trustworthy source that she knows her job quite well.

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    Well, I got it!!!! It's shy a couple hundred of what it should be, but it still feels pretty good to have the vast vast majority of that cash recovered! Thanks for all the suggestions and help folks!

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    How did you do it ?

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    Contact Fair Go. Nothing to lose but being a tourist it just might get their attention where you can get some 'official' help.



    Skyryder

    PS Missed your last post. Still a reasonable outcome given the circumstances. Now all ya gota do is bill someone for ya time. I'd give you a name but he would not probalble let you back into the country. But I'll give you a clue. PM me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerousBastard View Post
    How did you do it ?

    Steve
    With all my leg work I ended up making some friends within the NEU and Ministry of Consumer Affairs who were able to... apply a bit of extra pressure... and this really ended up going a LONG ways. So that combined with some good old fashioned obnoxious persistence finally got the payout.

    Bummed I'm still out a few hundred, but definitely happy that all the stress is now off me financially and that the situation is basically over!
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    Made an error posting and can't figure out how to delete this post, so now it will just be a post highlighting my screw up and forever justifying it's existence as an explanation of nothing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyryder View Post
    Contact Fair Go. Nothing to lose but being a tourist it just might get their attention where you can get some 'official' help.

    Skyryder

    PS Missed your last post. Still a reasonable outcome given the circumstances. Now all ya gota do is bill someone for ya time. I'd give you a name but he would not probalble let you back into the country. But I'll give you a clue. PM me.
    Lol, believe it or not, Fair Go was in fact my worst case scenario plan!

    Would love to be able to get the work hours compensated for this one, particularly if I could get lawyer rates for it! That pay check would cover my entire holiday here in NZ! Not gunna hold my breath on that one though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by K9OFSTRIKEX View Post

    Would love to be able to get the work hours compensated for this one, particularly if I could get lawyer rates for it!
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