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    Napier Gunman ACC

    Here's something worth arguing about....


    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3084...000-ACC-payout



    The partner of the Napier gunman who shot dead a policeman during a three-day siege says she is entitled to the nearly $10,000 in ACC compensation she was awarded after he apparently took his own life.

    Jan Molenaar, 51, killed Senior Constable Len Snee and injured two others and a civilian when officers went to his Chaucer Rd home in May with a cannabis search warrant.

    The siege ended when Molenaar, who had collected a cache of military-style weapons, was found dead with a suspected self-inflicted shotgun wound.

    His former partner Delwyn Keefe has since admitted selling cannabis from the house over a five-year period and is due to be sentenced next month.

    Ms Keefe received a lump sum of more than $5000 from ACC to help pay for his funeral and a "survivor grant" of around $4000, the Weekend Herald reported.

    She said she did not believe the actions of her former partner should have excluded her from the compensation.

    "It's no different to anyone (else) who commits suicide. I'm entitled to it. I shouldn't be persecuted because of what Jan did."

    The ACC entitlement for suicide was introduced by the Labour Government in 2008, although the National Government plans to axe the compensation under proposed legislation before Parliament.

    Ms Keefe thought cutting the compensation was a "silly idea" as it helped pay for Molenaar's $7000 funeral. She is also fighting to keep the home she shared with Molenaar, which the Solicitor-General is attempting to seize.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mully
    The mind boggles.

    Unless you were pillioning the sheep - which is more innocent I suppose (but no less baffling)

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    Ffs acc!!!!!!!!!

    I see ACC has paid out and is likely to pay out more to the drug-dealing partner of the cop-shooting loonie Molenaar.

    To assist with funeral yadda yadda yadda...cry me a river

    The freakin' idjit didn't ACCIDENTLY shoot himself.

    And she sure as hell ain't suffered no 'accident'
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    Re house seizure,ya think she didn't know he was into selling dope?Go the seizure guys,give her the ACC money then ask her to pay when she's sentanced.
    Hello officer put it on my tab

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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    Mods, I started a similar thread, could you merge them please?
    Whups sorry bro. Didn't see it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mully
    The mind boggles.

    Unless you were pillioning the sheep - which is more innocent I suppose (but no less baffling)

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    Suicide isn't an accident why should ACC use our money.
    Thats whats up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ready4whatever View Post
    Suicide isn't an accident why should ACC use our money.
    OK, I need to clarify a little. I'm not up for debating the whole Suicide/ACC thing in general.

    However, This dude topped him self in the commission of a crime. She has admitted dealing drugs (hence the seizure). The dealing is the reason the place was raided in the first place. Why the hell should she gain from it? If she hadn't lost cash and the house because of it, would she be arguing about it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Mully
    The mind boggles.

    Unless you were pillioning the sheep - which is more innocent I suppose (but no less baffling)

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    If she didnt have over 500 tinnies in the house, this is benifiting her
    Thats whats up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ready4whatever View Post
    Suicide isn't an accident why should ACC use our money.
    Because in 2008 Labour decided it could and then didn't consider where the additional funds would come from. Just another mess to clean up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ready4whatever View Post
    Suicide isn't an accident why should ACC use our money.
    Because the beading heart labour party (despite knowing that $$$ was short and outgoings long) added suicide for payments in 2008.

    Fucks me off Goff getting up there all the time - its his bunch of idiots that made ACC the mess it is.

    So next time he is at a meeting saying what a great biker he is - ask him why he thinks our hard earned $$$$ is spent on things like this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin View Post

    The siege ended when Molenaar, who had collected a cache of military-style weapons, was found dead with a suspected self-inflicted shotgun wound.
    You don't get much more 'military-style' then a sawn-off side by side and other guns with little bits of plastic slapped on it......

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    If suicide was not part of ACC those that are bitching about it would still be bitching about if it was not.

    Suicide 'is' an accident, it's not the end result but the cause.


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    Just for your interest, the Woodhouse Report recommend that self-inflicted injuries should have no compensation.

    http://www.library.auckland.ac.nz/da...woodhouse6.pdf, section 289(f):
    Injury which has been deliberately self-inflicted should not
    be the subject of compensation.

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    If one willingly puts a shottie in his mouth, it is no accident, it's not like it went off when he was cleaning it....or was it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinned View Post
    Because in 2008 Labour decided it could and then didn't consider where the additional funds would come from. Just another mess to clean up.
    Umm wrong, suicide family support was around way back in the early 90's, not just since 2008 my friend

    My in-laws have close and personal experience there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyryder View Post
    If suicide was not part of ACC those that are bitching about it would still be bitching about if it was not.

    Suicide 'is' an accident, it's not the end result but the cause.


    Skyryder
    Like I said. The Suicide/ACC debate is a different kettle of fish.

    This woman has had the funeral grant and a survivor grant paid to her. That's all she should ever get. Not a cent more.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mully
    The mind boggles.

    Unless you were pillioning the sheep - which is more innocent I suppose (but no less baffling)

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