Hampton Downs

[oyster]

Why aren't track days "made up" into MNZ events? What's the problem? All it needs is a permit, grade 2 steward and first aid. The knowledge and safety structure is borne of 100 years of worldwide FIM experience so surely this is best way to do it.

I've helped with plenty of such events, MNZ and non. And the non MNZ ones scare me with the thought of who would be strung up if it all went wrong.
Whoever organised it will be asked "did you apply the best standards and structure available in NZ for this activity?" (Hint: the prosecutor would likely have a copy of the MNZ rulebook in their hand...)

And, of course, events with this affiliation puts (some of) these riders on a structured path throught to club involvment, racing and ultimately our sport's elite. We all win

[javawocky]

For those who were there on the 21 Nov, here are the pics if you haven't seen them already...
http://www.championshipdigital.com/hdrd20091121

*EDIT no offence to the dude on the right, but I really like this pic http://www.championshipdigital.com/h...5dff#h22d24c21

[White trash]

Fuckn 'ell! Check out the rear tyre deflection. LAy off the pies fatty.........

[scrivy]

Why aren't track days "made up" into MNZ events? What's the problem? All it needs is a permit, grade 2 steward and first aid. The knowledge and safety structure is borne of 100 years of worldwide FIM experience so surely this is best way to do it.

I've helped with plenty of such events, MNZ and non. And the non MNZ ones scare me with the thought of who would be strung up if it all went wrong.
Whoever organised it will be asked "did you apply the best standards and structure available in NZ for this activity?" (Hint: the prosecutor would likely have a copy of the MNZ rulebook in their hand...)

And, of course, events with this affiliation puts (some of) these riders on a structured path throught to club involvment, racing and ultimately our sport's elite. We all win

Would never happen oyster. It would just add extra costs.
You would also need flag marshalls (complete with all the flags... and training.....).
MNZ rulebook is not the best standards either, and would be laughingly contestable in court.
'You honour - I was allowed to race a bucket for 3 meetings, then allowed to go freaky on a GSXR1000 or a 200Hp sidecar in the wet.....'
or
'Your Honour - I was never tested for eye sight, nor colour blindness, nor did I have to undergo a written exam to have a licence.....'
or
'Your Honour - I thought my gear was satisfactory, it passed scrutineering, but tore to shreds and scarred me for life, and my helmet was too old also....'

[codgyoleracer]

Would never happen oyster. It would just add extra costs.
You would also need flag marshalls (complete with all the flags... and training.....).
MNZ rulebook is not the best standards either, and would be laughingly contestable in court.
'You honour - I was allowed to race a bucket for 3 meetings, then allowed to go freaky on a GSXR1000 or a 200Hp sidecar in the wet.....'
or
'Your Honour - I was never tested for eye sight, nor colour blindness, nor did I have to undergo a written exam to have a licence.....'
or
'Your Honour - I thought my gear was satisfactory, it passed scrutineering, but tore to shreds and scarred me for life, and my helmet was too old also....'

Yip, the days of writing plain english rules or guidlines is becoming ever more difficult. In the eyes of the Law the buck usually stops somwhere (& thats usually with the person who has the least or worst representation in court)
Glen

[Ivan]

I see you riding a R6 in there Glen was it just a practice or is there gonna to be a 3 cylinder machine sound coming from your pits soon

[vtec]

Yeah Glen, I chased you on that 450 on my pro twin. It seemed a bit down on power compared to my SV. I'd say your SV with the new frame would be substantially quicker. Although, with development and some more power I'm sure the R4.5 would be an amazing weapon.

[Ivan]

Yeah Glen, I chased you on that 450 on my pro twin. It seemed a bit down on power compared to my SV. I'd say your SV with the new frame would be substantially quicker. Although, with development and some more power I'm sure the R4.5 would be an amazing weapon.

so that bike is a a 450 then?

[codgyoleracer]

Yeah Glen, I chased you on that 450 on my pro twin. It seemed a bit down on power compared to my SV. I'd say your SV with the new frame would be substantially quicker. Although, with development and some more power I'm sure the R4.5 would be an amazing weapon.

Yip the 450 was a neat little bike & went ok for its first ever outing. Is this the future of F3 ?, - who knows time will tell. Your lines looked good out there Vtec great to see you back on a bike that should be competitve.
Glen

[Bykmad]

Hampton Downs signed a contract with the California Super Bike School. That excludes ANY other bodies, be it MNZ, Auckland Motorcycle Club, Hamilton MCC, etc, running ANY type of training days. Thats the info I have.
Does that answer your question Oyster. The option was removed from everyone except the Superbike school.
I hope someone can correct me and say that my info is incorrect.

[wharfy]

Yip, the days of writing plain english rules or guidlines is becoming ever more difficult. In the eyes of the Law the buck usually stops somwhere (& thats usually with the person who has the least or worst representation in court)
Glen

Thats one of the reasons ACC was initially set up a "no fault" compensation and rehabilitation scheme. The Guy who planned it was a High Court Judge - he knew that going through the courts was basically unfair and a waste of time and money. He also did some sums and having it run by the Govt. was cheaper than using insurance companies. Which STILL applies

The 2008 independent review of the ACC scheme
confirmed the low administrative costs of a state-run
scheme:

New Zealand has lower claims management expenses (8% of total expenditure), than all Australian schemes (9-32%) and lower total administration expenses (24% of total expenditure) than the schemes providing comparable benefits...
It is clear that ACC is paying a relatively high portion of total premiums directly to claimant benefits.

Sorry to hijack your thread - -as you were

[Peter Smith]

Hampton Downs Ride Days are not race practice days. There is no timing allowed in any of the groups. This is essentially dictated by the insurance companies which allow so many riders to come to these events while still being insured.

MNZ sanctioned official race practice days are not run by us, and therefore are not subject to our rules.

Cheers,

Matt

My race bike has a cheap push button type timer set up on the left handlebar.
Is this OK? I don't have any insurance.
Are race bikes allowed at these ride days?

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

Hampton Downs signed a contract with the California Super Bike School. That excludes ANY other bodies, be it MNZ, Auckland Motorcycle Club, Hamilton MCC, etc, running ANY type of training days. Thats the info I have.
Does that answer your question Oyster. The option was removed from everyone except the Superbike school.
I hope someone can correct me and say that my info is incorrect.

If that is correct it's a real shame.
I struggle to see the buisness logic in restricting your income to such a degree. The banks lending the money may have something to say about this unusual way of attempting to make a profit, surley a new businesses priority is to make money and pay back asap.

In saying all that Hamilton motorcycle club have held an event there earlier this month.
Car clubs are holding events.

Perhaps it's 'just for profit' organisations and not 'clubs' the reference is to?

[Cleve]

If that is correct it's a real shame.
I struggle to see the buisness logic in restricting your income to such a degree. The banks lending the money may have something to say about this unusual way of attempting to make a profit, surley a new businesses priority is to make money and pay back asap.

In saying all that Hamilton motorcycle club have held an event there earlier this month.
Car clubs are holding events.

Perhaps it's 'just for profit' organisations and not 'clubs' the reference is to?

Honda Riders Club have a day there soon - so I don't think it is true

[HamptonDownsRideDays]

My race bike has a cheap push button type timer set up on the left handlebar.
Is this OK? I don't have any insurance.
Are race bikes allowed at these ride days?

Absolutely you're allowed race bikes, just like at other track days.

We do not allow timing, but realise that many new bikes these days come with onboard lap timers. We are not banning bikes with timers, but you are still not allowed to time.