Man-made climate change is done for. Dead.

**XRVrider** · 25th November 2009, 20:49

Ask my 100 yr old gran. She says its all crap, cos in the 50's there were several hot years in a row, drought, skinny cows etc... they thought the sky would fall next...

**Quasievil** · 25th November 2009, 21:01

Originally Posted by Winston001

Not quite. Here are the gases covered by New Zealand's ETS:

* carbon dioxide (CO2 )
* methane (CH4 )
* nitrous oxide (N2O)
* hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs)
* perfluorocarbons (PFCs)
* sulphur hexafluoride (SF6 )

The purpose of taxing the output of these gases is to encourage alternative industrial processes which are less harmful to the environment.

In an ideal world we would also tax heavy metals and complex hydrocarbons to force the same substitution efforts. However our ability to measure this stuff is limited so the greenhouse gas approach is a simple catch-all to deal with pollution.

BULLSHIT, its about money period.

**Quasievil** · 25th November 2009, 21:15

Anyway the battle is over, the ETS has been passed, congrats to all of the fucking lefty green freaks who have ensured NZ will be dredged further into recession with the looming taxes we all will now have to pay.

You can rejoice now knowing the the planet environmental problems have been solved and NZ has saved us from certain extinction, island nations wont drown after all.................thanks to NZ, meantime the rest of the world will again get the chance to laugh at us for jumping into this B.S while they retreat from it.

Congrats you won

Now go and get your cheque books out and ready for your punishments

fucking, PC ,lefty, greeny, bludgin, elite Minority class, A holes rule and because of it this country I can truly honestly say is now fucked.

**Hans** · 25th November 2009, 21:22

Originally Posted by Quasievil

Anyway the battle is over, the ETS has been passed, congrats to all of the fucking lefty green freaks who have ensured NZ will be dredged further into recession with the looming taxes we all will now have to pay.

You can rejoice now knowing the the planet environmental problems have been solved and NZ has saved us from certain extinction, island nations wont drown after all.................thanks to NZ, meantime the rest of the world will again get the chance to laugh at us for jumping into this B.S while they retreat from it.

Congrats you won

Now go and get your cheque books out and ready for your punishments

fucking, PC ,lefty, greeny, bludgin, elite Minority class, A holes rule and because of it this country I can truly honestly say is now fucked.

I don't think I could have said this any better.

**Indiana_Jones** · 25th November 2009, 21:26

Originally Posted by Quasievil

Anyway the battle is over, the ETS has been passed, congrats to all of the fucking lefty green freaks who have ensured NZ will be dredged further into recession with the looming taxes we all will now have to pay.

You can rejoice now knowing the the planet environmental problems have been solved and NZ has saved us from certain extinction, island nations wont drown after all.................thanks to NZ, meantime the rest of the world will again get the chance to laugh at us for jumping into this B.S while they retreat from it.

Congrats you won

Now go and get your cheque books out and ready for your punishments

fucking, PC ,lefty, greeny, bludgin, elite Minority class, A holes rule and because of it this country I can truly honestly say is now fucked.

Originally Posted by Hans

I don't think I could have said this any better.

Agreed.

Notice how it's always the fucking celebrities that share those views. Guess it's a good PR stunt and since they can afford it....

-Indy

**XRVrider** · 25th November 2009, 21:33

Originally Posted by Quasievil

Anyway the battle is over, the ETS has been passed, congrats to all of the fucking lefty green freaks who have ensured NZ will be dredged further into recession with the looming taxes we all will now have to pay.

You can rejoice now knowing the the planet environmental problems have been solved and NZ has saved us from certain extinction, island nations wont drown after all.................thanks to NZ, meantime the rest of the world will again get the chance to laugh at us for jumping into this B.S while they retreat from it.

Congrats you won

Now go and get your cheque books out and ready for your punishments

fucking, PC ,lefty, greeny, bludgin, elite Minority class, A holes rule and because of it this country I can truly honestly say is now fucked.

Im in on this too.
+3

**Mikkel** · 25th November 2009, 21:51

Originally Posted by Ixion

Sulphur hexafluoride ?

That be NASTY shit? We got that ?

We've got it in our lab. No biggie.... in NZ.

**Jantar** · 25th November 2009, 21:54

Originally Posted by Ixion

Sulphur hexafluoride ?

That be NASTY shit? We got that ?

I hadn't picked up on that one, so there is one floride included.
The strange part is that SF6 isn't manufactured or emitted here in New Zealand. It is used in high voltage circuit breakers, but the SF6 gas itself is inert and harmless. The powder residue that is formed when it is exposed to extreme electrical arcing is a different matter. That powder is Florine which when it gets wet forms hydrofloric acid, and that IS nasty.

**Mikkel** · 25th November 2009, 21:55

Originally Posted by Jantar

I hadn't picked up on that one, so there is one floride included.
The strange part is that SF6 isn't manufactured or emitted here in New Zealand. It is used in high voltage circuit breakers, but the SF6 gas itself is inert and harmless. The powder residue that is formed when it is exposed to extreme electrical arcing is a different matter. That powder is Florine which when it gets wet forms hydrofloric acid, and that IS nasty.

We got HF in the lab as well... and indeed, that is the nastiest shit one could imagine working with.