Man-made climate change is done for. Dead.

[James Deuce]

Yes of course, I meant the scientific community, particularly those involved with this scam (who should be locked up)

the amazing thing is that this breaking 4 odd days ago, our stupid government are now rushing to put this through ........why????

The government conceeds Maori can plant trees on our (DOC) land so Maori can get carbon credits ........Why?

this isnt about science, it never was, its about money and greed........funded by us...... why ? well it has to be as the pro science is flawed...... FACT.

Because they smell free money. For them, personally, when their terms are over. In the meantime we have to live with the half-trillion debt in fake money.

[george formby]

I have not been able to access the info you are posting about but I would bet that it is only a very small part of the research which is being conducted world wide. I doubt that all of the research is being skewed. Also bare in mind that the University is in the UK, look what has just happened to scientists undertaking drug studies for the gummint up their. Some of them have left the sandpit because their findings were inappropriate to the politicians.
This ongoing debate is a murky pool with turds & pearls popping up to the surface for our edification.

[Skyryder]

Not so. For something to be true scientifically it must be demonstrable and repeatable. In the case of AGW the raw data used to make a prediction must be made available to other scientists so that they may follow the methodology and come up with the same result.

What the climate skeptics have been saying for years is that the raw data is not being made available, only carefully massaged data, and even then the methodology of massaging that data has never been open to scrutiny. The hacked emails show that the skeptics have indeed been correct all along.

I can no more prove that these emails are not what the skeptics say they are any more than the skeptics can prove they constitute a conspiracy.

The bottomline on all of this is that there is so much information from these emails that the skeptics have interpreted this as a conspiracy against Anthropogenic Global Warming. And this based on some passages taken out of context. For anyone to suggest that the ‘majority’ of those scientists who are engaged in climate research have decided to conspire en masse defies logic. If this was true then it surely would have come out into the open long before now. Human nature is incapable of keeping secrets for so long by so many.




Skyryder

[carbonhed]

This interview sets out some of the charges.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydo2Mwnwpac

[Mikkel]

Bill Bryson is a small-minded cock who will make points at the expense of the "truth" (established fact is probably a better term). Bear in mind that this is gleaned from following a book tour around the UK and watching him change his presentation to demean the next closest set of inbreds to each county he visited, as well as challenging his assertions about NZ which, despite never haveing visited at athe time, he insisted was a miniature Britain. He was not happy when I pointed out that we beat rather less Sikh's to death per capita than Britain so the characterisation needed a bit of work.

I wouldn't know. There tend to be a trend that people who gain influence and fame turn into arrogant cocks given enough of either.

Bryson's success as an author relies to some extent on making astute observations about (sub-)cultures and then communicating these findings with wry humour - even sarcasm at times. It's what he does.

However, in regards to "A Short History of Nearly Everything" I read it and didn't find any significant bias. The only "digs" he takes are against oddball scientists over the ages (some of which died in bizarre ways) and greedy corporations - the former are subject to warm irony while the latter receives well deserved criticism.

I have not been able to access the info you are posting about but I would bet that it is only a very small part of the research which is being conducted world wide. I doubt that all of the research is being skewed. Also bare in mind that the University is in the UK, look what has just happened to scientists undertaking drug studies for the gummint up their. Some of them have left the sandpit because their findings were inappropriate to the politicians.
This ongoing debate is a murky pool with turds & pearls popping up to the surface for our edification.

The government is still alive and well in the worlds most successful neo-fascistic state.

[Quasievil]

I can no more prove that these emails are not what the skeptics say they are any more than the skeptics can prove they constitute a conspiracy.

The bottomline on all of this is that there is so much information from these emails that the skeptics have interpreted this as a conspiracy against Anthropogenic Global Warming. And this based on some passages taken out of context. For anyone to suggest that the ‘majority’ of those scientists who are engaged in climate research have decided to conspire en masse defies logic. If this was true then it surely would have come out into the open long before now. Human nature is incapable of keeping secrets for so long by so many.

Skyryder

Sadly they did conspire on mass to the point where they even pair reviewed their own work.
there has never been a consensus on the science, the ones exposed are the scientists who directly advise the IPCC or the UN, now without question AT ALL their must be doubt about the science, their simply has to be as its not correct by their own admission

nothing has been taken out of context their is a mass of info available to read.

http://www.climatechangefraud.com/

[Skyryder]

This interview sets out some of the charges.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydo2Mwnwpac

http://www.desmogblog.com/dr-tim-bal...-just-wont-die


Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Sadly they did conspire on mass to the point where they even pair reviewed their own work.
there has never been a consensus on the science, the ones exposed are the scientists who directly advise the IPCC or the UN, now without question AT ALL their must be doubt about the science, their simply has to be as its not correct by their own admission

nothing has been taken out of context their is a mass of info available to read.

http://www.climatechangefraud.com/

But you could find anything in here. I looked and found lots of references to lunch and fun, 94 to hate, 31 to love. Generally, though, the emails are extremely focused, technical, and, dare I say it, really dull. As noted on realclimate.org, the emails contain "no evidence of any worldwide conspiracy, no mention of George Soros nefariously funding climate research, no grand plan to 'get rid of the MWP', no admission that global warming is a hoax, no evidence of the falsifying of data, and no 'marching orders' from our socialist/communist/vegetarian overlords


Basically what I have stated


From

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...climate-change


Skyryder

[Mikkel]

Sadly they did conspire on mass to the point where they even pair reviewed their own work.

Peer review - GD!

And that is indeed the scariest bit of it. The peer review mechanism is the error-correcting machine that keeps science trustworthy. Remove that and you all of a sudden have to rely on personal integrity - which means we'll end up with an authority based system...

[Swoop]

The peer review mechanism is the error-correcting machine that keeps science trustworthy.

That system is easily manipulated though. Simply inviting the "correct" people onto the review committee is very easily done.

[carbonhed]

http://www.desmogblog.com/dr-tim-bal...-just-wont-die


Skyryder

Did you read any of the replies to that article?

Can you address any of Dr Ball's criticisms?

[Quasievil]

unbelievable, okay so the email leaks didnt happen? and the scientists involved didnt own up to it? and the whole exposure of this scam didnt happen.

Sorry guys, this is real this has happened and this is fact, get over it

fucks sake you guys are sucked in big time.

Read the New york times, try and bash your way out of your shell and smell reality for once in your life.


Skeptics take the win !!

[Hans]

That system is easily manipulated though. Simply inviting the "correct" people onto the review committee is very easily done.

one of the emails is proof they did exactly that.

[Mikkel]

That system is easily manipulated though. Simply inviting the "correct" people onto the review committee is very easily done.

Although each individual submission is not likely to be reviewed by more than 2-5 reviewers, the entire body of reviewers is much larger than that. It takes only one reviewer, dedicated to the truth, to cry fault and cause a journal to loose face, credibility and impact. Most, if indeed not all, of the scientists I have had the privilege of interacting with, are honest good people who favour the pursuit of true knowledge no matter whether it's what they had hoped for or not.

What is unfortunate is that the competition for funding is so competitive - mainly due to lacking resource allocation by the governments. Competition can make some people cut corners. At other times personal ambition - or mental problems - may cause people to go astray.
Take the unfortunate examples of Hwang Woo-Suk and Jan Hendrik Schon - but a few examples of scientific misconduct.
Believe me when I say that no one is more interested in seeing such episodes exposed and condemned than the scientific community itself. I can assure you that if the CRU researchers are found to be even suspected of actual scientific misconduct - then their careers are over and even their political puppeteers will have no use for them since their credibility has been destroyed. And you can rest assured that there will be plenty of their peers who will have a vested interest in following these proceedings very closely indeed. There is a hall of shame for "naughty scientists" and if you get in it you'll most likely never ever work in your field again.

[Mikkel]

unbelievable, okay so the email leaks didnt happen? and the scientists involved didnt own up to it? and the whole exposure of this scam didnt happen.

Sorry guys, this is real this has happened and this is fact, get over it

fucks sake you guys are sucked in big time.

Read the New york times, try and bash your way out of your shell and smell reality for once in your life.


Skeptics take the win !!

Polly want some sugar?