Man-made climate change is done for. Dead.

[Hans]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroflouric_acid#Safety

Not 100% accurate. It's not that it absorbs, it's the fact that the products of the chemical reaction with tissues are seriously toxic.

My my, are we OT or what?

[Forest]

Useful if you make nuclear weapons though :-)

You're thinking of Uranium Hexafluoride.

It isn't the same thing.

[Hans]

You're thinking of Uranium Hexafluoride.

It isn't the same thing.

Nope, I'm actually thinking of the switching gear for the firing circuits. But I can see how the post you're quoting makes me look like a muppet. I wrote it late at night...

[Badjelly]

Science is still struggling to model weather patterns a few weeks ahead & on a scale less than 100km square on the day, climate change is a bit more complicated.

Different problem. One is concerned with the details, the other is concerned with averages and statistical measures of variability.

[Badjelly]

Sulphur hexafluoride ?

That be NASTY shit? We got that ?

It's completely inert and non-toxic. I believe it is a greenhouse gas though.

In a former life I used to pump 25 kg of the stuff into the atmosphere at a time (but it tends to freeze in the measuring equipment). Different times, eh?

[avgas]

Sulphur hexafluoride ?

That be NASTY shit? We got that ?

Its the good stuff that stops substations blowing up when they open breakers. I will place a bet that the power co.'s wont admit to using it though - fucked if they want to pay an extra tax for keeping the country safe from substation fires.

[avgas]

Not quite. Here are the gases covered by New Zealand's ETS:

* carbon dioxide (CO2 )
* methane (CH4 )
* nitrous oxide (N2O)
* hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs)
* perfluorocarbons (PFCs)
* sulphur hexafluoride (SF6 )

The purpose of taxing the output of these gases is to encourage alternative industrial processes which are less harmful to the environment.

In an ideal world we would also tax heavy metals and complex hydrocarbons to force the same substitution efforts. However our ability to measure this stuff is limited so the greenhouse gas approach is a simple catch-all to deal with pollution.

Where is Carbon Monoxide - considering that stuff kills life you have to wonder.
NOX? WTF how is more air (Oxy) bad - or are you referring to its true for AIR (2 parts Nitrogen, 1 part Oxy).
Where are the particulates which clog Shanghai, London even Christchurch skies? This is not an ETS - this is bullshit.
Now I realise how deep the ETS hole goes I'm going to rip the shit out of it.

[Swoop]

Anyway the battle is over, the ETS has been passed, congrats to all of the fucking lefty green freaks who have ensured NZ will be dredged further into recession with the looming taxes we all will now have to pay.

You can rejoice now knowing the the planet environmental problems have been solved and NZ has saved us from certain extinction, island nations wont drown after all.................thanks to NZ, meantime the rest of the world will again get the chance to laugh at us for jumping into this B.S while they retreat from it.

Congrats you won


Now go and get your cheque books out and ready for your punishments


fucking, PC ,lefty, greeny, bludgin, elite Minority class, A holes rule and because of it this country I can truly honestly say is now fucked.

Quite true. You left out "sandal-wearing tofu-munchers" though!

[Winston001]

We got HF in the lab as well... and indeed, that is the nastiest shit one could imagine working with.

Yeah. There is usually a scientist dies from it every year somewhere. Once it touches you, no remedy.

[Quasievil]

Yeah. There is usually a scientist dies from it every year somewhere. Once it touches you, no remedy.

Thank god for the ETS as surely it wont be around anymore

[Skyryder]

Quite true. You left out "sandal-wearing tofu-munchers" though!

And here's me thinking it's the Nat's and Maori Party.


Skyryder

[Quasievil]

oooooo newsflash, DONT EAT MEAT !!!

Just on the news there is a push for British consumers to become vegetarian to help reduce Global warming

So common people lets do it here to , and legislate it quickly !!

[SPman]

Anyway the battle is over, the ETS has been passed, congrats to all of the fucking lefty green freaks who have ensured NZ will be dredged further into recession with the looming taxes we all will now have to pay.
.

The ETS as passed by this government is nothing like that wanted by the fucking lefty green freaks! It's a total sham - a rort engineered by Key and co to totally root NZ for the biggest polluters in the land!. Under this scheme - the more you pollute, the more subsidies you get - from the NZ taxpayer! It'll do absolutely nothing to enduce the big polluters to clean up their act.
Cunts!

[MisterD]

The ETS as passed by this government is nothing like that wanted by the fucking lefty green freaks! It's a total sham - a rort engineered by Key and co to totally root NZ for the biggest polluters in the land!. Under this scheme - the more you pollute, the more subsidies you get - from the NZ taxpayer! It'll do absolutely nothing to enduce the big polluters to clean up their act.
Cunts!

So what do you think would happen if farming got lumbered with the costs that Labour signed us up to a Kyoto? Bearing in mind that they're currently operating on pretty bloody slim margins and they've got to find room in there for the extra that the ETS is going to add to their fuel bills...

Best case, the prices to us consumers go up and we end up paying anyway...worst case, the bedrock of our economy is utterly destroyed due to it being unable to compete internationally. What's that going to cost the NZ taxpayer?

[mashman]

What's that going to cost the NZ taxpayer?

I'm glad someone else thinks that there will be some left!