Bikeoi! 2010

**mashman** · 23rd November 2009, 13:31

Originally Posted by Ixion

Not so sure about Save ACC though , it's a bit bland and all inclusive.

If by that you mean no frills and covering everything... BIKEOI - SAVE OUR ACC... not dressed up, no having to explain what we're about, plain and simple... Want to know more visit "http://www.weregettinfuckedoverroyallybyabunchofpowerhung rymorons.co.nz"

**martybabe** · 23rd November 2009, 13:31

Originally Posted by Reckless

Therefore could include them both to keep continuity. It could be the:

"SAVE ACC" - Bikoi

Originally Posted by Ixion

Yes. It is

BIKEOI!-2 - Save ACC

Not so sure about Save ACC though , it's a bit bland and all inclusive.

I understand the sentiment completely but I think the message is to confusing. It is widely seen that ACC are our enemy in this protest. Of course they're not, their stupid levy proposals are but I think Joe will just see that the bikers were against ACC, now they wan't to save them.

In my defence I point you to all the placards saying f*ck you ACC at the bikeoi and the ridiculous situation of a flag attached to this bike below, saying save the ACC. This was stolen from another thread running alongside this one where they are debating mass producing stickers so we can all change our bike logos to read the same as this.

As I said, I completely understand that we wan't to save the integrity and core values of the ACC, it is a good scheme but I think a lot of outsiders would be rather bewildered. Something along the lines of THE 'HELP US SAVE YOUR ACC FROM PRIVATISATION PLANS AND AT THE SAME TIME KILL THESE STUPID LEVY HIKES THAT YOU WILL ALL HAVE TO PAY BEFORE NATIONAL IS DONE-OI'

Of course we would need bigger flags

**mashman** · 23rd November 2009, 13:34

Originally Posted by StoneY

As Les pointed out up there above, the rushed effort was horrendously stressful

but by christ it stirred something in some of us

a beggining!

**mashman** · 23rd November 2009, 13:35

Originally Posted by martybabe

I understand the sentiment completely but I think the message is to confusing. It is widely seen that ACC are our enemy in this protest. Of course they're not, their stupid levy proposals are but I think Joe will just see that the bikers were against ACC, now they wan't to save them.

In my defence I point you to all the placards saying f*ck you ACC at the bikeoi and the ridiculous situation of a flag attached to this bike below, saying save the ACC. This was stolen from another thread running alongside this one where they are debating mass producing stickers so we can all change our bike logos to read the same as this.

As I said, I completely understand that we wan't to save the integrity and core values of the ACC, it is a good scheme but I think a lot of outsiders would be rather bewildered. Something along the lines of THE 'HELP US SAVE YOUR ACC FROM PRIVATISATION PLANS AND AT THE SAME TIME KILL THESE STUPID LEVY HIKES THAT YOU WILL ALL HAVE TO PAY BEFORE NATIONAL IS DONE-OI'

Of course we would need bigger flags

Hmfffff, damned fine point!

**Reckless** · 23rd November 2009, 13:37

Originally Posted by StoneY

Ok its still less than a week since BIKEOI 1 'Damn the levies' campaign
A victory at that
Lets chill
We know we are gonna do it again
Time, no need to worry about the time and date, I say 2nd weekend of DST next year but its only a thought
Now take our time, make a good slogan, contact the right media (I say James Deuce for BIKEOI || official journo) and plan wisely
As Les pointed out up there above, the rushed effort was horrendously stressful

Agreed!! It was a glorious unprecedented achievement organized by Les and Bronze etc! If my posts seem stern, I just feel strongly about this issue. The written word often comes out very hard as you don't have the body language that goes with it! I was only trying to be helpful and constructive! Cheers all!!

BTW: I'm bloody frustrated as all this comes at a time I haven't got a bloody bike to ride to support you guys and gals! LOL!!

**short-circuit** · 23rd November 2009, 13:37

Originally Posted by martybabe

I understand the sentiment completely but I think the message is to confusing. It is widely seen that ACC are our enemy in this protest. Of course they're not, their stupid levy proposals are but I think Joe will just see that the bikers were against ACC, now they wan't to save them.

In my defence I point you to all the placards saying f*ck you ACC at the bikeoi and the ridiculous situation of a flag attached to this bike below, saying save the ACC. This was stolen from another thread running alongside this one where they are debating mass producing stickers so we can all change our bike logos to read the same as this.

As I said, I completely understand that we wan't to save the integrity and core values of the ACC, it is a good scheme but I think a lot of outsiders would be rather bewildered. Something along the lines of THE 'HELP US SAVE YOUR ACC FROM PRIVATISATION PLANS AND AT THE SAME TIME KILL THESE STUPID LEVY HIKES THAT YOU WILL ALL HAVE TO PAY BEFORE NATIONAL IS DONE-OI'

Of course we would need bigger flags

Too true.

It's the National party driving this not ACC

**mashman** · 23rd November 2009, 13:39

Originally Posted by Reckless

BTW: I'm bloody frustrated as all this comes at a time I haven't got a bloody bike to ride to support you guys and gals! LOL!!

Take the car, be a support vehicle... that's what i intend to do next weekend in the Rapa if my forks aren't back (which they won't be as i haven't sent them yet)!!!

**Reckless** · 23rd November 2009, 13:41

yes good point Martybabe!!
I'm sure together someone will come up with something great!

**Ixion** · 23rd November 2009, 13:45

I think we've got a good brand with 'BIKEOI!'. It's recognised by the press, even the public. Easy to say, and not likely to be confused with anything else

We shouldn't dilute it.

And we shouldn't rush another one through

Take our time, plan it well, make it REALLY big.

Even if we got 7000 bikes last time, that's only 10% of the licensed bikes. So let's try for 20% next time.

And wind the press up to a frenzy with drip feed releases.

The other thing is, we need to watch out for hubris.

We are not the saviours of the country. or of the ACC scheme.

There's at least three political parties, including the official opposition fighting to "save ACC". And y'know, odds are they're going to lose. National has the votes to push it through. And no number of protesting bikers is going to succeed where the Labour party can't.

So we need to focus, work out what we CAN maybe win (not just WRT levies, but generally) and campaign for that.

**ManDownUnder** · 23rd November 2009, 13:49

Originally Posted by Ixion

What's the maori word for a war party?

Somebody suggested Impi. I like it, but I doubt many people would know what it meant.

Maybe Carver could start the Sacred Band.

EDITY EDIT. Apparently it's hokowhitu-a-tu. Doesn't really roll off the tongue.

try "utu" + 10 miserable f'n chars

**Reckless** · 23rd November 2009, 13:50

Originally Posted by mashman

Take the car, be a support vehicle... that's what i intend to do next weekend in the Rapa if my forks aren't back (which they won't be as i haven't sent them yet)!!!

I've been managing to con my son out of his little VTR250 for the Auck ride and Mission bay thing so not to bad! I won't be able to get the Z1R on its wheels in time and after buying 4 bikes (3xMX and 1 roady thats not around now ) before finishing my house Reno's my wife will quite rightly pack up if I do it again!! LOL!!

Good Idea! I've been thinking of making a 2.0m x 1.2m sign for the ute!
I have some Kiwibiker dirt division flags? (as I organized the T'shirts etc)

Lets come up with a slogan and I'll ask Ixion for a pilot vehicle license!! LOL!!!