What's the message they're sending?

[SMOKEU]

FTP represent

[Thaeos]

I know, send ALL your money to an offshore bank account, and sign all your assets over to a trust or something. Then you can't pay the fine!

/sarcasm

[red mermaid]

I know, send ALL your money to an offshore bank account, and sign all your assets over to a trust or something. Then you can't pay the fine!

/sarcasm

Why not, thats what lawyers and other wealthy people do.

[Patrick]

..... I've lost faith in them now and I have met alot of people who feel the same.

So..... one fuckup, caused by you, and the romance is over...?

Next time tip the piss on the ground and tell them it was just soft drink.

Now THAT would actually work......

I don't think they can charge you "Court costs" unless you actually go to court.

No. Probably signed a guilty letter. Sorted.

Even better I could teach him how to use a tonfa properly

Not many of them around.....

I was at a christmas in the park event on saturday night,......

And every single one would have been Youth Aid Officers. They're bastards!!!!

Yeh I got diversion 10 years ago for parking on some grass in a carpark, that was the last time I broke the law apart from general traffic offences.

Oh no wait I did have liquor on me in a liquor ban area, outside the liquor shop down and then took it all the way to my house which I wasn't allowed to do because of the liquor ban. Stupid council, was even illegal to surf down mount without lifejacket at one stage.

So a previous liquor ban "mistake"???? I bet the cop was very disappointed too.....

why should you have to pay $600+ for making a mistake when the mental fuck down the road with the shot gun gets a small fine.

And why should some one who grows a lil herb a smokes it and doesnt harm anyone else go to jail for years when there are creepy fucking weirdos hanging outside schools molesting/torturing and killing children that get the same time in jail when they should be publicly hung.

The system is fucked

Sure is. But it isn't the cops fault. Judges are the ones who do little where it matters.... We just lock em up and front them. The result is entirely in their hands.... like the shotgun dude and this one....

Its $55 for a copy of a crash report and only if requested by your insurance company.

If you request it, it is free.

There is so much BS in this thread, its not funny, full of half truths and complete lies.
A bunch of losers moaning about something they know so little about, almost like talk back radio.

Not quite - there is some clause thingy there, it is exempt as a freebee from the Official Information Act.....

Get used to the bush lawyers. They rock!!!!

....You got stung because you broke the law, tried to hide said law breaking from the Police and then gave the cop attitude all of which resulted in something you and you alone could have easily prevented. After which you were to lazy to make a simple enquiry in which you would have discovered that you were eligible for diversion or at the least a discharge without conviction and not ended up paying a cent or at least a minimal fine/donation.

As he stated earlier.... this wasn't his first time for breaching a liquor ban..... See three quotes above.

......I politly said "I'm sorry I didn't quite catch that I've got trouble with hearing.'

That old one is about as refreshing as "good afterbull constanoon..." Drunk drivers try that one often....

Back to the thread - I get charged more because?

I earn an alright salary - pakeha - young male - pay fair share of tax - because I choose not to waste court tim - because I'm not perfect - because I have kids to feed - ... the list goes on but I don't see any reason except I didnt have a car or a firearms....

And previous dealings with the same sort of thing?

Yes, have you not been to court before seeing white guys who work getting harsher penalties for 1 off misdemenor then have to watch some bro repeat offender get let off with fuck all.

I'm not racist at all but I've seen it happen, different standards thats all.

This is true. BUt hammering the first timers often means you never see them back in frontof a judge again....

A real shame they don't hammer the recidivist offenders much more....... but the judges can't do that either. They have to wearn, warn again, give final warnings, then give supervision (be a good boy for a while and if you are, we will forget all about it...) community work, then give home D, then give prison time - but only after all previous options have been used recently.

[Mikkel]

well yes I guess I stated wrong tho, the courts sets the fine I think.
The cop was an absolute prick to me and his conduct was inappropriate, nothing I can do about that.

You had your mate there to witness his behaviour. If he was indeed rude and inappropriate in his conduct you can - and should - file a formal complaint.

It'll most likely not affect the charge and fine - but still, you shouldn't just accept poor behaviour from a cop. Especially if you had a witness with you at the time.

[Patrick]

Cop approaches me agressively and talking very fast ask questions for which I'm not sure what the answers are. So 'your being difficult I'm placing you under arrest' fine hop in car go to station get hands scanned and my first/only criminal conviction 'Breech of liquor ban'.

Define "approaches aggressively...?"

You don't know what the answers are? To what?

"Tip it out, or get yourself locked up...?" is the usual question.....

When its not tipped out, or then consumed, is the normal "being difficult."

Apply for a re-hearing? Seek a discharge without conviction? Or a conviction and discharge...?

Have you been dealt with for a liquor ban breach previously, or not? Did it go to court (signed a guilty letter so you don't need to go in person), or not? You're kind of contradicting one thing then another....

If you have been previously convicted, then the second time is usually higher.

More to the story, me thinks......

[Juzz976]

So a previous liquor ban "mistake"???? I bet the cop was very disappointed too.....

As he stated earlier.... this wasn't his first time for breaching a liquor ban..... See three quotes above.

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I said I broke the law, nothing about getting caught, Its was stupid they road blocked our street and only our landlord had vehicle access because he didnt want to give us the access pass and they sent it to the person who pays the rates.
It was illegal for anyone to have alcohol in the carpark of the liquor shop and ajoining roads, even if it was in the boot of your car. it was the owner of the liquor shop who warned me that as soon as I walked out the door I'd be breaking the liquor ban.

[Juzz976]

Define "approaches aggressively...?"

You don't know what the answers are? To what?

"Tip it out, or get yourself locked up...?" is the usual question.....

......

he wasn't skipping along with a box of chocolates, he looked pissed as like I was mugging his mother or something.

yeh I just don't watch enough coronation street to pick up on his dialog/accent. Also I had just walked out of a bar with a live band playing.
hense why I tryed to tell him I couldn't hear.

I understand that immigrants may struggle with our language but they shouldn't get shitty at us when we are unfamiliar with their Idioms and phrases. I have friends that are from the UK who I sometimes ask what they have just said means and they happen to tell me.
If you tell a cop your not sure what he's asking does that mean your difficult and need arresting, no it means he should learn to respect our culture or get the fuck back on a plane.

[Genestho]

he wasn't skipping along with a box of chocolates, he looked pissed as like I was mugging his mother or something.

yeh I just don't watch enough coronation street to pick up on his dialog/accent. Also I had just walked out of a bar with a live band playing.
hense why I tryed to tell him I couldn't hear.

I understand that immigrants may struggle with our language but they shouldn't get shitty at us when we are unfamiliar with their Idioms and phrases. I have friends that are from the UK who I sometimes ask what they have just said means and they happen to tell me.
If you tell a cop your not sure what he's asking does that mean your difficult and need arresting, no it means he should learn to respect our culture or get the fuck back on a plane.

Heh, I concur, a friend is a welshman, I nod and laugh when he speaks, specially if we're somewhere loud, oh he so knows me..

"You didn't understand a word I just said, did you?" (Nope)
firstly - good on you for getting a sober driver on the job.

Listen, I'm not going to comment on your problem.
You're responsible for your own actions.
The cops follow a law set by councils and parliament.
If you have a problem with his approach, lay a complaint.

You think you got problems?

I ask what message we as a country are sending, beyond your situation, when it is ok to have recidivst drink drivers on MY roads, putting me and mine at risk, and not a damn thing is done about it, not by parliament, and the judges who sit in hilltop highgated homes away from the rabble, who have a choice and chance to protect us from these fools, and dont.

[Juzz976]

Oh I have no problem, except for drink drivers on our roads thats a problem.

Just think its wrong how they would give me a larger fine than someone who is doing something alot worse.

Just something to think about I don't give a crap about a criminal conviction or fines its just odd thats all.

[gatch]

There is so much BS in this thread, its not funny, full of half truths and complete lies.

Yep, cops get the hard rap for doing their job. most are trying to do good, sure there is some cunts, but that is definitely the exception rather than the rule.

If firemen started handing out fines for unsafe electrical appliances and un-watched cooking, they'd become cunts too. Same with pastors and reverends and barnardos help line, if they handed you fines for every morally ireprehensible thing you ever did, they would be the scum of the earth.

[Patrick]

I said I broke the law, nothing about getting caught, Its was stupid they road blocked our street and only our landlord had vehicle access because he didnt want to give us the access pass and they sent it to the person who pays the rates.
It was illegal for anyone to have alcohol in the carpark of the liquor shop and ajoining roads, even if it was in the boot of your car. it was the owner of the liquor shop who warned me that as soon as I walked out the door I'd be breaking the liquor ban.

That's the part I don't get. How do you get it from the bottle store to home, unless one was cracked open? Thereis an exemption to the law relating to these liquor bans if it is clearly being taken from the area once purchased - such as a liqour shop - otherwise theliquor shop owner would have to be locked up too for aiding and abetting....?

he wasn't skipping along with a box of chocolates, he looked pissed as like I was mugging his mother or something.

yeh I just don't watch enough coronation street to pick up on his dialog/accent. Also I had just walked out of a bar with a live band playing.
hense why I tryed to tell him I couldn't hear.

I understand that immigrants may struggle with our language but they shouldn't get shitty at us when we are unfamiliar with their Idioms and phrases. I have friends that are from the UK who I sometimes ask what they have just said means and they happen to tell me.
If you tell a cop your not sure what he's asking does that mean your difficult and need arresting, no it means he should learn to respect our culture or get the fuck back on a plane.

LOL - know what you mean. Hard to follow sometimes, and I hate Coro St....... Force fed it as a little one by the ma..... Nothing wrong with asking to talk to the arresting cop and explaining your situation. As far as he is probably concerned, he still thinks you needed to be locked up. Might make him think about when he next speaks to someone else...? Might not help your cause, but might clear the air, for both...?

Oh I have no problem, except for drink drivers on our roads thats a problem.

Just think its wrong how they would give me a larger fine than someone who is doing something alot worse.

Just something to think about I don't give a crap about a criminal conviction or fines its just odd thats all.

Like I said earlier, sometimes hammer the first timers hard and you don't see them in court again.....

Yep, cops get the hard rap for doing their job. most are trying to do good, sure there is some cunts, but that is definitely the exception rather than the rule.

If firemen started handing out fines for unsafe electrical appliances and un-watched cooking, they'd become cunts too. Same with pastors and reverends and barnardos help line, if they handed you fines for every morally ireprehensible thing you ever did, they would be the scum of the earth.

10 chars........

[Juzz976]

Its a temporary liquor ban, they checked my car when I came home from work on 2 occasions.
A part of me wishes there was alcohol in the car too I'd like to see that hold in court "yes your honour the defendant was trying to take some beer home in his car with intentions of drinking it, yes thats right he was going to consume the alcohol at home. We need to make an example of him as he has shown no remorse for his actions....this behavior is just unacceptable as he was also not drink driving or carrying firearms, a total half arse attempt at breaking the law, he deserves the maximum penalty"


Oh and thats after I had to walk home and get a letter with my name and address so they'd let me drive home through their road block.
May be permanent liquor ban there now but road blocks only during new years.

[Juzz976]

If firemen started handing out fines for unsafe electrical appliances and un-watched cooking, they'd become cunts too. Same with pastors and reverends and barnardos help line, if they handed you fines for every morally ireprehensible thing you ever did, they would be the scum of the earth.

Arseholes don't wake up one morning thinking 'I'll become a fireman that way I can get my vengance on the world for my tiny deformed penis and the fact that I'm otherwise a total no mates loser'

No because they want to be cops so they can be pigs and give good cops a bad name.