Smacking - sometimes it's just hard not to do!

[Genie]

Yes you can. It's called "respect".

control - respect - not in the same category at all.

[crazyhorse]

..... 'yelling' i hate it when i start to yell and there's nothing worse than a mother (or anyone) doing their nut!!!

I'd back you on this one. Shame my 17 year old is too big to smack - I hate yelling too, and am doing it more now than I ever had too.

Don't ever think of yourself as being a bad parent - you are giving them options first, by the three times rule. I did that too....

[Pussy]

I'm all for the little shits "expressing themselves".

Just as long as they don't mind ME expressing MYSELF with a size 9.5 right up their ringpieces....

[Genie]

I'd back you on this one. Shame my 17 year old is too big to smack - I hate yelling too, and am doing it more now than I ever had too.

Don't ever think of yourself as being a bad parent - you are giving them options first, by the three times rule. I did that too....

I'm working very hard at being the world's meanest mum!!! I don't feel bad at all though some in society would say i am as i do smack. I run a very tight ship (call me captain...no Hilter). I have to, 4 young children can go crazy really fast. My eldest is 23 and i still give him a run for his money....I am she who shall be obeyed!

[mashman]

Someone call for a Doctor?

[MSTRS:Me]

Getting a bit OT here, but just wanted to add that no matter what/how they are taught/tested...the end result of the do-gooders' policies are that kids learn there are no real consequences. Until life smacks them between the eyes.
Discipline your kids, for their own good. They will learn to discipline themselves, so you don't have to. That is part of one's job as a parent. The OP story shows what happens when you neglect this part of child raising.

[mashman]

I'd back you on this one. Shame my 17 year old is too big to smack - I hate yelling too, and am doing it more now than I ever had too.

ha ha ha, never to big too punish though... Male or Female child?

[Dave Lobster]

If the yelling approach if it isn't working... what's left?

Adoption...

[buffstar]

I'm a really bad Mother....like really bad. I will smack my children, after telling them not to behave a certain way - three times i will repeat - then the slap on the leg comes out. sometimes i don't have to repeat at all as they know i mean business! what i think is worse than the 'smack' is the 'yelling' i hate it when i start to yell and there's nothing worse than a mother (or anyone) doing their nut!!! Personally think it's so ugly and causes more trauma on the darlings than the controlled slap on the leg, plus they stop listening and my voice just becomes a drone in their ears. Whereas, the smack, instant change in behaviour. Just need someone to smack me when i misbehave

+1
I use the count to three method - tell em what they are doing needs to stop (firmly) and then count to three...... you havnt sorted your shit by the time I get to three - I smack your arse. I make no apology for it & although the 3 year old is still a work in progress the 12yr old hasnt been smacked for years - because she was well trained at a young age and knows that if she chooses to do something 'wrong' there WILL be consequences, smacking is not the only option I also use time out quite effectively, and am not embarrased to put my child on time out anywhere we may be - and if ppl have a problem with that they can kiss my butt (only my hubby may smack it)
Some of the BS i see other kids pulling on their parents disgusts me - useless pansy pricks, the big bad world is gunna chew those little buggers up and spit em out and mummy-wummy aint gunna be able to save their arse!! FFS

[CookMySock]

With no corporate punishment in schools anymore, even the teachers have no control.

Good. Perhaps they will give up on the idea of bullying and harrassing kids, so they dont interfere with their own feelings.

Fathers no longer attend school camps incase they are accused of touching someone.

Rubbish. My daughters' friends treat me like another Dad, and I treat them like another daughter. I go on my daughters' school camps without fail - haven't missed one yet! Got another one this weekend - going on our bikes too!

kids learn there are no real consequences. Until life smacks them between the eyes.

Thats the way it should be. It's not your business to "teach people a lesson."

"Lifes' little lessons" is plenty in itself.

Steve

[FJRider]

I would have voiced my disgust too.

Simple answer:

The parents should be held accountable; charged with assulting a staff member and also creating a public disturbance.

What he said ...

[RantyDave]

School reports - she is not allowed to put any negative comments about the child's learning or behaviour

Oh, that whole thing sucks doesn't it. To make things worse it means you can no longer trust a glowing report - you have to kinda wheedle out of the teachers what's actually going on. Such a pain in the arse.

Dave

[CookMySock]

We will always get the behavior we tolerate, as parents and as a society.

If you think like that, all you are ever going to teach is intolerance.

The problem is "control", and what we believe our rights extend to with regard that.

Who, at any time, has the right to impose THEIR idea of "control" upon YOU?

No one does? Good! So why teach children that THEY can when they grow up?

When you use coercion to force children to DO something, you reinforce the idea that "normal adults may use coercion as a valid tool", when the real truth is, this is never going to be acceptable.

Furthermore, 90% of the time, adults use coercion simply for the reason, that the other person is interfering with their feelings. The message sent is, "my feelings are paramount, and your feelings are irrelevant."

Think about it. You can't force anyone to do anything. Get over it.

Steve

[2wheeldrifter]

In at the local city council offices today I witnessed 2 toddlers helping themselves to pamphlets and running around with them. When one of the staff members tried nicely to get them back the youngest threw a screaming hissy and held them behind her back (all of about 2 years old). The (older) woman reached around saying something like "how about I take these and you can have this one" and the little missy open hand smacked the woman across the face. All of this with 2 adults who were with them doing nothing.

The elderly man with them mumbled something about "sorry" but not another word was said. As they walked past me apparently happy as larry I said "I'd have been disgusted if either of my children had just done that". Well, I got a rant over how it was all the government's fault and how they'd end up in the shit it they dealt with the kid; the woman then butted in and told me to "stay out of it". (Which I know I should probably have done, but it incensed me that the little brat could just do that and neither the mother or grandfather - which is what the adults appeared to be to these girls- did a thing).

Apparently they'd be in there for some time before I went in, being general little pains in the arse completely unchecked. Then to top it off with slapping a staff member across the face! The reaction on all the other people in the building was shocked, but not one person said a thing. Except me cos I just couldn't help myself. Aaaaarrrrrggggghh! And we wonder why when they get to school they're already uncontrollable. Hmmmm. Go figure.

Rant over!

Good on you.... worthless shits if you ask me, the parents that is for allowing that!

I would of given the kid a scare too

[EgliHonda]

Most times at our local Warehouse I feel like "maintaining" half the damn toy isle.

Oh I hear that... Some parents think shops are free babysitting services, while their little 'darlings' tear around breaking toys and rupturing eardrums. Unfortunately the Whorehouse suffers the brunt of this form of trash...