What happened to global warming?

[ukusa]

At the end of the day, Global warming or Climate change CO2, Methane, Ozone or what ever, We cannot be taking millions of litres and millions of tons of fossel fuels from an inert state in the ground, and burn them, converting them to gasses and particulate matter in the atmosphere without having an affect on the world we live in....

I don't really care, the real issue for me is "where's the decent fucking riding weather"!!! Global warming, I'd like to see some of that where I live, None of this "we were 0.1 degree warmer on average over the last decade" bullshit.

[Winston001]

True, but neither AGW nor natural warming will cause polar air to be drawn up to temperate regions. That is a function of an enhanced Hadley system in the lower latitudes which is more aligned with global cooling.

I happily bow to your meterological knowledge. However the explanation I posted above for our current cool summer came verbatim from a NZ meterologist interviewed on National Radio 10 days ago. His comments struck me because I had earlier read of some surprising effects of climate change ie. for a few decades some places would be cooler and wetter.

Pollution and over population are a totally seperate discussions, and ones that I would be in agreement with you on.

And this is where I think the whole climate argument has gone off the rails. If we look at the intent of Kyoto/Copenhagen etc it's effect is to reduce pollution. One sad side effect is less food globally as we change to producing bio-fuels which are marginally efficent at best. Bring on the fusion reactors.

[Jantar]

Shrub and I are having an interesting discussion off the main forum on this subject when I realised that it may be time to resurrect this thread with some new information. Bringing discussion on climate change over here will allow the ETS thread to remain on topic about the financial effects.

Dr Theodor Landscheidt of Schroeter Institute for Research in Cycles of Solar Activity has postualted that the earth is about to go into a period of cooling. He claims "a long period of cool climate with its coldest phase around 2030 is to be expected." http://bourabai.narod.ru/landscheidt/new-e.htm

[mashman]

some one mentioned occums razor before. Simplest being the truth. ETS is a scam. Paying for my carbon footprint? why do I not receive a monthly bill then? is it because you can't tell me exactly how much carbon i've emitted? nope we're just going to make up some numbers for you, so we don't need to invoice you, we'll just deduct it.

v's

solar flares, mother nature, carbon emissions that are really only being guessed at, micro-system destruction, deforestation, dodgy numbers, but it's ok, we can computer model these things, it'll tell us that we need to charge you more... damn I thought i had a positive there...

[StoneY]

solar flares, mother nature, carbon emissions that are really only being guessed at, micro-system destruction, deforestation, dodgy numbers, but it's ok, we can computer model these things, it'll tell us that we need to charge you more... damn I thought i had a positive there...

There ya have it bruv.... you aint MEANT to think just accept the word from on high as gospel and go back to ya beer!

[Pixie]

Shrub and I are having an interesting discussion off the main forum on this subject when I realised that it may be time to resurrect this thread with some new information. Bringing discussion on climate change over here will allow the ETS thread to remain on topic about the financial effects.

Dr Theodor Landscheidt of Schroeter Institute for Research in Cycles of Solar Activity has postualted that the earth is about to go into a period of cooling. He claims "a long period of cool climate with its coldest phase around 2030 is to be expected." http://bourabai.narod.ru/landscheidt/new-e.htm

Blasphemer!

[Pixie]

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), established by the United Nations and the World Meteorological Organisation (WMO), no longer publishes well defined “best estimate projections” of global temperature rise to the year 2100 caused by increases in greenhouse gas accumulations in the atmosphere, but publicizes “storylines” to speculate about warming as high as 5.8° C till 2100

[Pixie]

some one mentioned occums razor before. Simplest being the truth. ETS is a scam. Paying for my carbon footprint? why do I not receive a monthly bill then? is it because you can't tell me exactly how much carbon i've emitted? nope we're just going to make up some numbers for you, so we don't need to invoice you, we'll just deduct it.

v's




solar flares, mother nature, carbon emissions that are really only being guessed at, micro-system destruction, deforestation, dodgy numbers, but it's ok, we can computer model these things, it'll tell us that we need to charge you more... damn I thought i had a positive there...

The problem with Occam's Razor, is that Occam's wife uses it to shave her legs and dulls it.