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    Money? - me? No not a lot (Married with kids dontcha know)

    But I am actively looking for another bike at present

    So far very, very few new ones appeal
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    Development concept
    A truly International design team included three Japanese members, one American and one European. Guided by the infinitely experienced Kishi-san (CBR1100XX Blackbird) and overseen by Hasegawa-san, the VFR1200F’s design team was not only culturally varied but also spanned generations. Their collective goal was to create a sports bike with long distance
    capabilities. To foster the right mindset the designers imagined waking up to a perfect day and deciding, impulsively, to ride 300km, effortlessly devouring large stretches of highway before carving through twisty roads, just to enjoy lunch in a beautiful location before riding home again. The VFR1200F designers began sketching their ideas in a remote hotel outside Rome. These sketches took many forms and explored every possibility and rather than refine these elements into one final design, the team headed back to Tokyo with all their individual drawings.

    On the VFR1200F project, designers and engineers worked in parallel, discussing and perfecting their solutions as the clay model and sketches evolved. European designer, Teofilo Plaza, described this six month-long experience as one of the most intense and passionate of his life. Once the basic design had been agreed, another many months of testing and development lay ahead – a period in which designers and engineers continued to work in unison. The first V4 Concept model was unveiled to a stunned audience at the Intermot show in October 2008. The radically styled show bike perfectly displayed the free-thinking that had absorbed the design team from day one of this revolutionary project. Now, twelve months later, the VFR1200F is ready for launch and whilst its V4 heritage may be patently obvious, the reality is that this machine far surpasses anything that has gone before.

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    [QUOTE=Big Dave;1129654030]Development concept
    .. Guided by the infinitely experienced Kishi-san (CBR1100XX Blackbird) ..

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    Told y' so


    Their collective goal was to create a sports bike with long distance
    capabilities. To foster the right mindset the designers imagined waking up to a perfect day and deciding, impulsively, to ride 300km, effortlessly devouring large stretches of highway before carving through twisty roads, just to enjoy lunch in a beautiful location before riding home again. ..
    But it can't get 300km on a tank, can it? Even 300km hardly classes as "long distance".
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    Ixion commented that its origins are probably more to do with the Blackbird than other models. That might have some substance but interestingly, the vast majority of Blackbird riders internationally don't see it as a replacement for their 'birds. Taking up Imdying's comment, being retired and debt-free, I was in a financial position to consider it as a replacement for my 'bird but there was no emotional connection. Guess that's one reason why I have a street Triple at present!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    But it can't get 300km on a tank, can it? Even 300km hardly classes as "long distance".
    Surely it can? Even a blade will do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imdying View Post
    Surely it can? Even a blade will do that.
    Around 250 km has been quoted by a couple of new owners on the UK VFR site. Should improve with bedding in but even so, hardly touring range. The 'bird was good for ~330km in touring mode.

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    I didn't get 250 - but it was brand new and I rode it a gear lower than it needed till I got the mojo. (and because it was so nice).

    250 sounds feasible run in and sensible. In NZ I find that is...satisfactory. If I lived in Wagga Wagga it would be problematic, not to mention the mileage.

    My Buell does 240 before the light - 62.4 thereafter. Trophy did 240, Victory Vision almost 400, Harley Ultra 300, Connie was about 280 from memory, FJR went to 300s.

    I'm ready for smoko at 200km anyway.

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    Dave - did you notice the cylinders shutting -off?
    The Honda chap was telling me if you are cruising at say 100 in top it will shut down the feed to the rear two cylinders to save fuel, open the throttle and they kick back in. He said it was seamless, but I figured you'd notice it in the exhaust note. Many cars do this with cylinders now.
    He was also mighty impressed with the brakes.

    I just like the paint and finish quality.

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    Not really noticable. If doesn't have the same 'BAM!!!' as a very large vee twin at 60-80kph, but top gear or spooled up roll ons are a torquer's delight.

    It definately has two exhaust note stages.
    I would describe them as 'Get ready to go' and 'hang the fuck on'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerminalAddict View Post
    The horn vs indicator is funny as hell .. everyone in Hamilton hit the horn as they were leaving the shop
    Me too.

    I had it for two hours today. Brilliant! Loved it.

    It has shaft drive so why would anyone need a centre stand. People find the strangest things to whinge about.

    Plan A is to write more later...

    The VFR is not a replacement for the Blackbird. There was a replacement for the Blackbird but it wasn't passed as ready for production and missed its time slot.

    Honda are considering other uses for the new engine, eg a sportsbike, but apparently nothing is actually underway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Dave View Post
    want to share high res version of the first and last pic ??

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    Using them on KR at the mo - when done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Me too.

    I had it for two hours today. Brilliant! Loved it.

    It has shaft drive so why would anyone need a centre stand. People find the strangest things to whinge about.

    Plan A is to write more later...

    The VFR is not a replacement for the Blackbird. There was a replacement for the Blackbird but it wasn't passed as ready for production and missed its time slot.

    Honda are considering other uses for the new engine, eg a sportsbike, but apparently nothing is actually underway.
    A centre stand is a normal accessory for a motorcycle.Sidestands are for race replicas and trail bikes. ,IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by imdying View Post
    Surely it can? Even a blade will do that.
    The tank on the 1200 is smaller than on the 800... and the 800 can be milked out to 300kms.
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