To all those people who voted National.

**Blue TLS** · 1st December 2009, 23:26

Originally Posted by p.dath

The only worse decision would have been to put any other party into majority Government.

Overall they have done a great job steering us through the difficult times, and to be blunt, there was a lot to fix up.

I don't think I would vote a party out on a single issue. That would be a very blinkered view to adopt.

Rodney hit the nail on the head when he said j k doesnt do anything so far he has done absolutely nothing and i challenge you to come up with anything at all that he has done for the benefit of the country and not his own pockets if i ever have the dishonour of meeting him no amount of bodygaurds will be able to stop the first punch

**Brian d marge** · 2nd December 2009, 01:37

Originally Posted by James Deuce

A single issue shouldn't govern your voting habits.

Single > as in one ,,, They have pushed soo much through under urgency ,,,that Lockwood smith ,,,has been ordering speed by the truck load ,,,just to keep awake

Stephen

**Brian d marge** · 2nd December 2009, 01:58

And while Labour has ( has to ..its name is labour ) feelings for the working stiff , National are typically for business, BOTH OWE MONEY OVERSEAS

doesn't matter Who you vote in ,,,,

There are some people behind the scenes who sway the Governments agenda

Kerr Gibbs with Roger as the mouth piece were some famous ones

But

We the people need to tell them the government that WE the people want to return to
a fair day pay for a fair days work , 3 squares and an affordable roof

I cannot see anything wrong with that ??

Well if overseas people and corporates drive up house prices and use overseas borrowing to fund that , and as a nation we cannot afford the repayments ,,, it isnt going to happen ...( mind you if we export,,,everything )

well my company better pay me a bucket load of Zambian dollars ( they come in a wheel barrow from the local bank ) in order to put a simple roof over my families head

Capital gains tax and a severe curbing on property ,,,would be one start ,,,,( very unpopular ) , and a curb on secondary taxes , such as student loans and speeding

Dont get me started on SOES ,,,( great idea BTW,,,but morally wrong )

Stephen

**slofox** · 2nd December 2009, 05:31

Originally Posted by Brian d'marge

National are typically for business,

Correct. We should not be surprised at what National is doing. They are doing exactly what they should do - that is, represent the interests of their supporters.

The fact that their support base is essentially business oriented should come as no surprise to any of us - certainly has not surprised me. I heard it said recently that "National is the political wing of the Business Round Table." This may well overstate the position somewhat but it does contain a kernel of truth.

The fact that big business wants the political scene pushed in a direction that will enable more profits for them should also be no surprise - that is what it's all about for them. So ACC will be privatized whether we like it or not because the business interests behind National want it so. And we can all go get fucked as far as they are concerned. Profit rules for these guys.

We have to remember that no matter what colour the governing party is, they are there to represent the interests of their own support base. Which is exactly what National is doing, is exactly what Labour did before them and is exactly what any of the current crop of political parties would do if given power.

**MikeL** · 2nd December 2009, 05:39

Originally Posted by RentaTriumph

Go fuck yerself you gay boy.

Ouch. Hit a nerve, did I??

**Oakie** · 2nd December 2009, 06:15

Originally Posted by short-circuit

Yeah - from memory you're an "human resources" manager or is it "consultant" these days? Of course you voted for the business party. You're anti-worker by job description

Nah. 'Human Resources Coordinator'. I'm the fella who hires people and then works my arse off to make sure they are well trained, well treated and happy in their job.

**Swoop** · 2nd December 2009, 07:15

If liarbour were not such a bunch of self-serving, egocentric, narccisists' who were NOT at the puppet-strings of the lunatic fringe greenies, then we would not have a national government that was under the puppet-strings of the maori party.

Nappies and gubbinments get changed for the same reasons.

As for Heilen Klerke being "not only just about the most intelligent prime minister this country has ever had..." Who is your drug supplier?

**oldrider** · 2nd December 2009, 07:31

Where ever did some of you people get the idea that Liabour had the interest of the working classes at heart?

The only interest they have, is in getting votes, period!

Look how long it took Maori to wake up to them! (a work in progress, out of the frying pan into the fire)

**EgliHonda** · 2nd December 2009, 07:43

Originally Posted by oldrider

Where ever did some of you people get the idea that Liabour had the interest of the working classes at heart?

Fully agree, imagine how the labour party founding members would feel at the shabby treatment of west coasters? I think when helen called them feral inbreds she cut any remaining strings tying her party to the 'working class', and signalled they really were a party of chardonnay sociallists, made up of failed schoolteachers and career academics...

Had great hopes National would be different, not too happy of late however...

**T.W.R** · 2nd December 2009, 07:51

Originally Posted by oldrider

Where ever did some of you people get the idea that Liabour had the interest of the working classes at heart?

You saying the Natzis have?

**Mully** · 2nd December 2009, 08:19

Originally Posted by EgliHonda

Had great hopes National would be different, not too happy of late however...

There's your first problem. Same face, different mask.

Originally Posted by T.W.R

You saying the Natzis have?

Where did he say anything of the sort?

No politician gives a shit about the "average" New Zealander. Not a single one. They probably did, way back when, but those times are long gone.

The only way to get what you (as a voter) actually want, is to look at the self-interests of the various parties and vote for the one which most closely aligns with your own at that time.

The idea of voting National, Labour or Green just because "you always have" or "my parents always did" shows that democracy is not for the people at all. (I know someone who always votes for the Opposition - makes just as much sense as blindy voting for one colour)

Meh, Blue, Red, Green, whatever. They're ALL the fucking same. Come 2011, I'll decide what's important to me and mine, and vote accordingly.

**EgliHonda** · 2nd December 2009, 08:25

Originally Posted by Mully

The idea of voting National, Labour or Green just because "you always have" or "my parents always did" shows that democracy is not for the people at all. (I know someone who always votes for the Opposition - makes just as much sense as blindy voting for one colour)

Meh, Blue, Red, Green, whatever. They're ALL the fucking same. Come 2011, I'll decide what's important to me and mine, and vote accordingly.

Exactly...I have always voted what was best for me at the time, fair to say that as a student I voted differently than as a heavily mortgaged, taxpaying parent. I think the two large parties have yet to realise that people's voting habits are changing. National has severly underestimated who actually ride bikes here I think...

**pzkpfw** · 2nd December 2009, 08:26

"Dol" ?!

Well, that's smrt.

**Mully** · 2nd December 2009, 08:26

By the way,
Kiwisaver is privatised. It's more privatised than the Bank deposits which have a Government guarantee. Any new Super schemes almost have to be now. An aging population dictates that people can't rely on the State to provide in their old age any longer.

Health is becoming more privatised all the time - personally, I have private Health Insurance. Hospitals have KPIs and a heavier management structure than most private organisations wouls get away with. This is part of the problem, they are partly run like businesses but with no business leadership.

Education? Most Universities are run like private organisations now anyway. And look at the number of private "institutes" now - shouldn't that be more structured? I admit that I don't see a place for privatisation in primary or secondary education at this point, but if it could be set up well (and that's a big "if") it might be feasible.

**T.W.R** · 2nd December 2009, 08:34

Originally Posted by Mully

There's your first problem. Same face, different mask.

Where did he say anything of the sort?

No politician gives a shit about the "average" New Zealander. Not a single one. They probably did, way back when, but those times are long gone.

The only way to get what you (as a voter) actually want, is to look at the self-interests of the various parties and vote for the one which most closely aligns with your own at that time.

The idea of voting National, Labour or Green just because "you always have" or "my parents always did" shows that democracy is not for the people at all. (I know someone who always votes for the Opposition - makes just as much sense as blindy voting for one colour)

Meh, Blue, Red, Green, whatever. They're ALL the fucking same. Come 2011, I'll decide what's important to me and mine, and vote accordingly.

The implication was there in John's comment

wow aren't you smart..... you should check back to pre election threads and realise you're just echoing what some of us said back then