The Daktory - West Auckland Cannabis Social Club

[mowgli]

I think more research needs to be done. From the scientific research I have seen I think that it should atleast have an age limit of 25+ due to the affects it can have on brain development.

Yes, yes, yes As soon as you think you know it all start doing drugs. You'll never have to learn anything ever again

[Tank]

Definitely the 100% with it non smoker. Everytime. But I think this is a moot point.

I'm not saying pot is good for driving, its not. And in the hands of those who dont drive well to begin with, its extremely dangerous. Thats why I support coordination testing. However, it would be wrong for police to harangue a capable, coordinated driver because he has long hair, looks and talks like a stoner.

Its not a moot point - the fact is that you wouldnt have the stoner driving your kids.

People get tested for EBA all the time - its no biggie - esp if you are sober.

No biggie drug testing people either - I would have no problem with them doing it to me.

The only ones that have an issue are the ones who will be found to be under the influence. The same ones you just said you would not wanting driving your kids.

So again - no problem smoking - just dont drive afterwards then everyone is happy.

[scissorhands]

Its not a moot point - the fact is that you wouldnt have the stoner driving your kids.

People get tested for EBA all the time - its no biggie - esp if you are sober.

No biggie drug testing people either - I would have no problem with them doing it to me.

The only ones that have an issue are the ones who will be found to be under the influence. The same ones you just said you would not wanting driving your kids.

So again - no problem smoking - just dont drive afterwards then everyone is happy.

What about all those kiwis that have 2 beers in the first and 1 beer maximum every hour thereafter, and are under the limit and considered safe drivers for NZ roads?

Surely your not promoting one rule for one group and another rule for another? Thats biased and unfair discrimination, and poor policing

[Kickaha]

The reason people smoke dope, is because it connects them with the world and the people around them, in such a way that they feel more a part of it. You have nothing to fear from these people. It is indelibly stamped on their mind what feels bad, and they will avoid it at all costs, both for you and for them.

The real reason people smoke dope is to get stoned, not this mythical bullshit about "connecting" with the world

[CookMySock]

You need someone to drive your kids up the Coromandel.

You have two people to choose from. One is 100% 'with it' the other has been smoking pot all afternoon.

Who would you choose?

The straight person, but I doubt whether a seriously incapacitated (stoned) driver would even be able to comprehend what you had asked him, let alone find his keys, let alone get the car out the driveway, and he wouldn't want to because its too much like hard work.

The difference is, a piss head or P head would jump at the opportunity, and then race off in excess of the speed limit without care or regard, or any connection whatsoever that what he was doing was dangerous.

The only problem with consumption is that compared to alcohol it is very easy to 'overdose' and end up being stoned for much longer than expected. Excess alcohol consumption will generally make people throw up and then wake up feeling like crap whereas being significantly 'stoned-over' usually means you just have a slight-buzz but are still somewhat stoned and this is when it can be dangerous.

Perhaps. It's pretty clear to stoners that they are way fucked up when they try to reverse the car off the lawn, and it takes them 20 minutes, then there's the stop sign at the end of the street, and the task of selecting a gap in the busy traffic to pull into - thats going to take all afternoon.

Steve

[Tank]

What about all those kiwis that have 2 beers in the first and 1 beer maximum every hour thereafter, and are under the limit and considered safe drivers for NZ roads?

Surely your not promoting one rule for one group and another rule for another? Thats biased and unfair discrimination, and poor policing

Nope - but it seems you are.

Dope and piss test anyperson stopped is my motto.

[scissorhands]

Untrue Sir. At least 3 times above I have stated I support police coordination and drug testing, and tried to be civil in the face of untrue accusations.

I meet someone a while back in charge of sales NZ for a large large multinational company. He was visiting a p lab to buy and was arrested along with everyone there. He lost his job too, but the irony is, he was so good at managing his team, and being a very good hard working employee as a heavy p user. He has a classic addictive personality, and was a professional athlete, but now looks a bit old for his age from all that stupid P.

Stoners need not apply. Except for possible penning 'nothing in life is worth being or doing', or similar philosophies of Occum, minimalism or nihilism. Consumerism, materialism and striving lessens with cannabis. Probably a good way to save the planet? Maybe less breeding, less work, less spending, less doing. Sounds kinda spiritual to me?

Hemp was an amazing highly utilized plant, unquestionably the most important plant in the history of man, now replaced by textiles made from petroleum



Check out Dakta Green on the front page of this weeks Western Leader newspaper. http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/loca...a-in-the-house

along with The Harold article from last april http://www.nzherald.co.nz/david-fish...0566272&pnum=1

and all the kind words of support from reasonable New Zealanders who are against prohibition (including many of the police!!)

[gammaguy]

Thank goodness!!

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[gatch]

Caffeine overdose can kill you. People have died that way.

So, mm, given that THC isn't toxic at any dose, I'd say a cup of coffee is somewhat worse than cannabis.

Not to mention the fact that caffeine is physiologically addictive. I can't go a day without it, lest I develop headaches and tremors.

But I happily go weeks without smoking cannabis.

Mind you, I don't think anybody would argue that inhaling the smoke from burning plant material can ever be good for you (cannabis is much better taken using a vaporiser, or prepared in food).

Neither would they argue that non-stimulant psychoactives are a good idea when in control of machinery.

What gets up most cannabis users' noses is the fact that the law is an arbitrary ass when it comes to distinguishing between psychoactives. If caffeine, nicotine and alcohol were invented today, they'd all be class B scheduled drugs.

And, in terms of the social harm caused by intoxicated people, I doubt you'd find many cops who wouldn't cautiously support the idea of swapping cannabis legalisation for alcohol prohibition.

In principle, of course. Alcohol prohibition, as we all know, just doesn't work. Then again, neither does cannabis prohibition. But the circular argument from the status quo for the status quo seems to convince most people, doesn't it?

Bang on chum. What he said..

[gammaguy]

not all people who seem crazy are stoned,but ALL people who are stoned are altered in some way.thats fine,as long as they do it OFF the road.

sadly our judgement is also altered when we ingest hallucinogens which makes us think we are OK when we are not.

[scissorhands]

not all people who seem crazy are stoned,but ALL people who are stoned are altered in some way.thats fine,as long as they do it OFF the road.

sadly our judgement is also altered when we ingest hallucinogens which makes us think we are OK when we are not.

I dont think I've ever hallucinated on pot, ever....

Just an update here re Daktory news....

Dakta Green lost his case re human rights abuse by state, but has got a ton of good milage from it, and many people working at the district courts showed their support - including the judge!

I spent a day at Piha with the activists and on the road in the very brightly painted cannibus (big green old Bedford bus) and couldnt believe the support from most of the public. Look ma - stoners!

At Piha he cops turned up while the bus was full of people smoking up at the beach car park, said Hi then left!

Over the Xmas new year period, a senior sergeant entered The Daktory to warn of impairment testing beginning. Cops parked down the road and stopped all who left the building, no one was charged with drug driving except for a grossly overweight man who has trouble moving around at any time of day due to his weight....
Anyway, we all thought it abhorrent to park outside a licensed premise's and stop patrons and in the same vein Dakta green took offence and decided to video the police with their policy of stopping all patrons leaving The Daktory.

This is on you tube here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR0g3KimbI0

I was against putting it up on you tube as the young cops are only doing their job, and I thought the cops would take offense at being on you tube, which they did, entering The Daktory (2 days after it being put up on you tube) for the second time ever and arresting and charging Dakta Green (again).

All that was a month ago, and no more interventions since.

So, its business as usual @ The Daktory...I really enjoy meeting travellers from overseas, and some classic kiwi characters who support the cause for an end to prohibition and decriminalisation.

Also, not only is California becoming more pot friendly by the week, but many other states not normally associated with cannabis culture are seeing the benefits to society of ending prohibition. The Daktory website here: http://www.thedaktory.org.nz/ has the latest world news on this updated every few days.

Also 60minutes will be filming at The Daktory Feb 18th, and The BBC are wanting a story too.

My personal take is that massive changes are happening in the world re tax havens like Switzerland, US cannabis policy changes, policing in NZ with the increased patrols since The Nats got in and *friendly visits* to known people and gangs policy, the warning system now in place for minor offending(including cannabis possession)....that I believe the financial benefits and relief of courts and prison far outweigh any **harm to society** that is caused by the widespread use of cannabis in NZ.

Yet still the courts are full of pot smokers being processed at present