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    Quote Originally Posted by Chooky View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneY View Post
    My grandad was a mechanic on P-51's and then on Corsairs (on Gudalcanal at that)

    He told us of all the WWII aircraft out there, the ME 109 and the Spit were the two hardest to land fighters of the era

    Spits 'bounced' terribly if your landing angle was out by sweet fa, and the ME's had real stiff undercariage that was too narrow and tended to collapse sideways if landing in strong side winds

    Thats what Grandad said anyway, seems our man in the SI has proven him right on the Spit
    and the spitfire had to be side slippped slightly as you coudnt see over the bloody great engine in front of you...prolly not peculiar to the spitfire though

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    A Diesel Spitfire.

    Junkers get the last laugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    A Diesel Spitfire.

    Junkers get the last laugh.
    Isuzu V6 petrol, with optional supercharger. Not diesel.

    Junkers was an opposed piston engine, like the Rootes TS3 Commer, right?
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    The Junkers Ju-86 had the diesels,...opposed piston two-strokes.
    Good for high altitude but too slow and mainly were easy pickings for the RAF fighters.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pete376403 View Post
    Isuzu V6 petrol, with optional supercharger. Not diesel.

    Junkers was an opposed piston engine, like the Rootes TS3 Commer, right?
    Yeah I know, I was using poetic license.

    Yes, 6 cylinder 12 piston two stroke supercharged diesel with a service ceiling of 14,000 metres for the final version, the Ju86R. Really clever port work and an "H" configuration (something that Napier and BRM struggled to make work) gave it good scavenging performance and minimised power loss at the crank giving the Ju86 amazing high altitude performance for an engine of comparably low specific output (1000HP), especially compared to a Merlin 60 with a Two stage, Two speed supercharger like the Mk VII Spitfire had, an aircraft specifically developed to counter the high flying reconnaissance Ju86.

    It took until 1942 for a Ju86P to be shot down by a specially modified Spitfire Mk V operating from Aboukir in Egypt. The Ju86R wasn't withdrawn from service until 1944. Not a bad record for an obsolescent Spanish Civil war era bomber. The Ju86 helped develop pressurised cabins for passenger aircraft, so we can fly high and fast all over the place now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    with a service ceiling of 14,000 metres for the final version
    ....we refer to altitude in feet, Mr Deuce......
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    I find it ironic that the incredibly rude personal comments about Les were made by someone bearing an astonishing resemblance to a Monica Lewinsky dress accessory.

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    All was good until I realised that having 105kg of man sliding into my rear was a tad uncomfortable after a while

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pussy View Post
    ....we refer to altitude in feet, Mr Deuce......
    You refer to them in feet because you need the lower unit measurment granularity skimming the Earth's surface the way you do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nudemetalz View Post
    Good for high altitude but too slow and mainly were easy pickings for the RAF fighters.
    No, not at all, the RAF and USAF struggled to get anywhere near them, and they were withdrawn from service primarliy due to fuel supply issues. Diesel became much more dificult to get hold of from 1944 on for the Germans. The Jumo 207 maintained a much higher power to weight ratio thanks to the two stroke firing order and the port layout of intake in the lower cylinder and exhaust in the upper meant really good combustion efficiency, even in a low oxygen atmosphere. A Ju86 would walk away from a Spit VII at 40,000ft (happy Pussy?) an aircraft with supposedly almost double the top speed of the Ju86 at it's most efficient altitude of 32,000ft. The performance drop off in the entailing 8,000ft altitude difference meant the high flying interceptors needed a long winded vectoring process organised on the ground to line a Ju86 up and then they generally got one crack at it before it dieseled on its way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    No, not at all, the RAF and USAF struggled to get anywhere near them, and they were withdrawn from service primarliy due to fuel supply issues. Diesel became much more dificult to get hold of from 1944 on for the Germans. The Jumo 207 maintained a much higher power to weight ratio thanks to the two stroke firing order and the port layout of intake in the lower cylinder and exhaust in the upper meant really good combustion efficiency, even in a low oxygen atmosphere. A Ju86 would walk away from a Spit VII at 40,000ft (happy Pussy) an aircraft with supposedly almost double the top speed of the Ju86 at it's most efficient altitude of 32,000ft. The performance drop off in the entailing 8,000ft altitude difference meant the high flying interceptors needed a long winded vectoring process organised on the ground to line a Ju86 up and then they generally got one crack at it before dieseled on its way.
    Yes, thank you! (feet is the international unit of measuring altitude!)
    Man, there were some clever bastards back then! I'm no authority on aircraft, but I had NO idea about the Jumo 207 engine. Interesting!!
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    To step back from the aerogeekery for a moment, I gotta say, it'd be pretty embarrassing to be this dude.

    Imagine if everyone with more money than sense had the national media sniffing around like flies every time they binned one of their toys.

    Sales of Enzos and Desmosedicis would go straight through the floor.
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    Speaking of which (to get off the subject a little)..there's a youtube vid of a dude riding his Desmosedici extremely poorly, proving that money does not buy skill.

    However, please be aware that I by no means refer to the Spitfire accident in that frame of mind.

    Now, Ju-86,..yes agree Jim,...but they were no good at low/mid altitude because the diesels did not like changes in power, preferring constant revs.
    Therefore were phased into high-altitude PR work where they excelled (as you mentioned ).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bass View Post
    It's not difficult to meet him. He flies his contest aerobatic aircraft pretty much every fine day. I can show you where to stand and wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneY View Post
    the ME's had real stiff undercariage that was too narrow
    The undercarriage was fixed to the fuselage so that a wing could be removed and yet the aircraft remain on its own wheels. Bad mistake really...
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    You don't see GSXR1000's appreciate like that when they get binned!
    The problem is that the toyota corolla comparison could be made here...
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    Just got from an undisclosed source that the damage done is more severe than before and will cost around $1M to rebuild. She'll take 12 months to get back in the air.


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