Cops and their new powers

[SixPackBack]

There aren't any "good" cops. They all wait until you do something wrong and they process you for it. If they got laid this morning they might not. If they didn't, you're fucked. Simple.

They are all about supporting their own industry, and they will always be focussed on ways to make it bigger and better, just like any other industry.

Steve

Dumbass. Even with my experiences and knowledge of dodgy Hazzard county coppers I could never swallow that line. Some of 'em are top blokes/ladies.

*I expect bling for this, any colour will do*

[red mermaid]

Oh, we luff u 6pb, whereas DB should really disclose fully and honestly his reasons for his issues.

[SPman]

The tricky thing with the drug/driving thing is that...cannabis hangs around in the blood for some months, so, you could have had a smoke a couple of months prior to being tested and come up positive - then be charged with driving under the influence! They’ve managed to get subjective Drug Driving powers that have no impairment levels.......
Another example of a law, slammed through under urgency, with no proper debate or scrutiny.......like so many lately


if you have nothing to hide....you have nothing to fear..............

[Subike]

After having many many run ins with the police in my youth, I met maybe 3 bad ones. Most were ok guys until you decided you were smarter than they were.
How you are treated by the police is as much decided by how you treat or approach them in the first instance.
If you come at them with a cocky , know it all, I know my fucky rights type attitude then expect to get shit, because YOU are starting with shit.
OK ther are the odd hardliners, but that just that, Hardline.
They work hard to enforce the law in a society that is loosing respect for any form of authority. You only have to look at the schools to see this happening.
There are also the coppers who are good buggers, friendly, helpfull , willing to give advce, and assist in finding help for you when you are genuine in your plight.
There are coppers who will, and do put your safty before theirs, if it means saving your life.
Yes there are a fucken lot of laws that we have to live with that we may feel are over the top or whatever, and many may agree that some of the laws both invade our privacy or corrode our freedom.
But we are a society that invokes change all the time, to meet those canges we need new laws to combat those amoung use who choose to manipulate the laws for personal gain at the cost of others.
I dont mean just gangs either, as there are white collar criminals too.
Our police do the best they can with the limited resourses at their disposal. Some do get frustrated and make errors of judgment in the face of the public, that just proves they are as human as all of us.
Yeap good guys in my eyes, even if I have had my butt kicked by them on more than one occasion in the past.

[babey8]

It's no different to the request to give blood for an evidential blood test for excess alcohol - you can refuse. You can't be forced to give blood - just like you can't be forced to give fingerprints, or consent to being arrested.

AFAIK a blood test for drugs is different than a evidential blood test for excess alcohol. I don't think you can refuse the blood test. I think the police can hold you down to get the blood. Even if you can refuse you will be arrested for refusing and go to court.

The facebook group seems to have a photo on it now and the details have been updated:

Don't Steal My Blood:
Simon Power has introduced a new law called the Land Transport Amendment Act 2009 which allows police officers to FORCE a driver to give blood if the driver fails a compulsory drug impairment test.
What is a compulsory impairment test?
Seeing if your pupil is dilated, which could be dilated for many reasons, not just drugs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mydriasis

Seeing if you can walk in a straight line heel to toe, and to stand on one leg, which you may not be able to do for many reasons including having a sore leg, just not good at balancing, nervous, not just because of drugs.

And with a blood test, it can detect marijuana that a person smoked 90 days ago:
http://tinyurl.com/y9c3ycs

Don't steal my blood Simon Power because i may fail a flimsy impairment test. I'm all for testing for drugged drivers but please use the saliva test that Australia uses where you put a small absorbent pad on a person's tongue for a few seconds, and wait five minutes for the result:
http://tinyurl.com/ycxrw6k

This law is like saying:
Police: Hey 16 year old girl step out of the car and walk in a straight line.
Girl: Ok
Police: You can't walk in a straight line so I am going to force you to pull down your pants and I am going to forcefully stick my hand up your anus and vagina to see if there is any drugs in there which could be the reason why you cannot walk in a straight line. And after this we are going to the hospital to forcefully pump your stomach to see if you swallowed any drugs.

So immediately you should put a STOP to the police forcing alleged drugged drivers to undergo a blood test.

Don't Steal My Property Rights:
Simon Power introduced a new law called the Domestic Violence (Enhancing Safety) Bill which will allow the police to issue instant protection orders to an alleged offender that will mean the alleged offender will have to leave his/her home for up to 5 days.
How is this STEALING my property rights? If the alleged offender owns/co owns or is renting/co-renting the home it will mean the alleged offender will be FORCED to leave his/her own home, and the home owner will still have to pay their mortgage/rent when they aren't even living their for 5 days.
I'm all for reducing violence in the home but the police should only be able to issue instant protection orders to an alleged offender if the alleged offender does NOT own/co own/rent/co-rent the home.

Join this group and tell all your friends to join and notify the media.

[scissorhands]

After having many many run ins with the police in my youth, I met maybe 3 bad ones. Most were ok guys until you decided you were smarter than they were.
How you are treated by the police is as much decided by how you treat or approach them in the first instance.
If you come at them with a cocky , know it all, I know my fucky rights type attitude then expect to get shit, because YOU are starting with shit.
OK ther are the odd hardliners, but that just that, Hardline.
They work hard to enforce the law in a society that is loosing respect for any form of authority. You only have to look at the schools to see this happening.
There are also the coppers who are good buggers, friendly, helpfull , willing to give advce, and assist in finding help for you when you are genuine in your plight.
There are coppers who will, and do put your safty before theirs, if it means saving your life.
Yes there are a fucken lot of laws that we have to live with that we may feel are over the top or whatever, and many may agree that some of the laws both invade our privacy or corrode our freedom.
But we are a society that invokes change all the time, to meet those canges we need new laws to combat those amoung use who choose to manipulate the laws for personal gain at the cost of others.
I dont mean just gangs either, as there are white collar criminals too.
Our police do the best they can with the limited resourses at their disposal. Some do get frustrated and make errors of judgment in the face of the public, that just proves they are as human as all of us.
Yeap good guys in my eyes, even if I have had my butt kicked by them on more than one occasion in the past.

What he said.

Must be a bummer doing your job as a cop, and you have an ethical disagreement with a outdated(or brand new) law, that wastes your time and resources due to political bullshit. But government states this is how you must work.

I wonder how many times a week an average cop lets something slide.

[red mermaid]

Don't know where the hell you are getting your info from but I can tell you without doubt that it is absolute rubbish.

AFAIK a blood test for drugs is different than a evidential blood test for excess alcohol. I don't think you can refuse the blood test. I think the police can hold you down to get the blood. Even if you can refuse you will be arrested for refusing and go to court.

The facebook group seems to have a photo on it now and the details have been updated:

Don't Steal My Blood:
Simon Power has introduced a new law called the Land Transport Amendment Act 2009 which allows police officers to FORCE a driver to give blood if the driver fails a compulsory drug impairment test.
What is a compulsory impairment test?
Seeing if your pupil is dilated, which could be dilated for many reasons, not just drugs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mydriasis

Seeing if you can walk in a straight line heel to toe, and to stand on one leg, which you may not be able to do for many reasons including having a sore leg, just not good at balancing, nervous, not just because of drugs.

And with a blood test, it can detect marijuana that a person smoked 90 days ago:
http://tinyurl.com/y9c3ycs

Don't steal my blood Simon Power because i may fail a flimsy impairment test. I'm all for testing for drugged drivers but please use the saliva test that Australia uses where you put a small absorbent pad on a person's tongue for a few seconds, and wait five minutes for the result:
http://tinyurl.com/ycxrw6k

This law is like saying:
Police: Hey 16 year old girl step out of the car and walk in a straight line.
Girl: Ok
Police: You can't walk in a straight line so I am going to force you to pull down your pants and I am going to forcefully stick my hand up your anus and vagina to see if there is any drugs in there which could be the reason why you cannot walk in a straight line. And after this we are going to the hospital to forcefully pump your stomach to see if you swallowed any drugs.

So immediately you should put a STOP to the police forcing alleged drugged drivers to undergo a blood test.

Don't Steal My Property Rights:
Simon Power introduced a new law called the Domestic Violence (Enhancing Safety) Bill which will allow the police to issue instant protection orders to an alleged offender that will mean the alleged offender will have to leave his/her home for up to 5 days.
How is this STEALING my property rights? If the alleged offender owns/co owns or is renting/co-renting the home it will mean the alleged offender will be FORCED to leave his/her own home, and the home owner will still have to pay their mortgage/rent when they aren't even living their for 5 days.
I'm all for reducing violence in the home but the police should only be able to issue instant protection orders to an alleged offender if the alleged offender does NOT own/co own/rent/co-rent the home.

Join this group and tell all your friends to join and notify the media.

[Tank]

There aren't any "good" cops. They all wait until you do something wrong and they process you for it. If they got laid this morning they might not. If they didn't, you're fucked. Simple.

They are all about supporting their own industry, and they will always be focussed on ways to make it bigger and better, just like any other industry.

Steve

you are a sad, sad man.

There are plenty of great / fantastic cops out there. And Im sure you would happily call them if you kid was grabbed of the street and raped.

But like so many other losers you bitch and moan and complain about what a hard time you have and how you are being picked on. A professional victim who will never move forward in life.

[marty]

Please provide a legislative link to where it says you can be FORCED to undergo a blood test. I can't find it.

[Tank]

bullshit rant

Funnily enough it is only the cock smocking brain dead wasters who seem to have a issue with it.

The rest of us are happy to have the fucks off the road.

[marty]

I've found it. It wasn't hard. There's a raft of defences already in the legislation. I suggest you do some searching and reading of actual legislation instead of Facebook groups, or are you just a little paranoid about finding out the truth?

Like I said, you can't be FORCED to give a blood sample (refer S.60 Land Transport Act 1998 & S.10 Land Transport Amendment Act 2009)

http://www.transport.govt.nz/legisla...reddrivinglaw/

And the Policing Act 2008, S. 32 covers the taking of fingerprints. Nothing in there about holding people down to accomplish it.

[Tank]

I've found it. I suggest you do some searching and reading of actual paliamentary legislation, or are you just a little paranoid about finding out the truth?

Like I said, you can't be FORCED to give a blood sample.

http://www.transport.govt.nz/legisla...reddrivinglaw/

what .... you want us to read legislation in order to make a well informed judgement based on facts.

FFS - its far easier to just believe some fucktard on facebook.

[Laava]

I've found it. It wasn't hard. There's a raft of defences already in the legislation. I suggest you do some searching and reading of actual legislation instead of Facebook groups, or are you just a little paranoid about finding out the truth?

Like I said, you can't be FORCED to give a blood sample (refer S.60 Land Transport Act 1998 & S.10 Land Transport Amendment Act 2009)

http://www.transport.govt.nz/legisla...reddrivinglaw/

And the Policing Act 2008, S. 32 covers the taking of fingerprints. Nothing in there about holding people down to accomplish it.

Fuck that! I'm way to out of it to read, comprehend or even concentrate! What else you got?

[marty]

AFAIK a blood test for drugs is different than a evidential blood test for excess alcohol. I don't think you can refuse the blood test. I think the police can hold you down to get the blood. Even if you can refuse you will be arrested for refusing and go to court.

so you're saying you CAN'T refuse, but you CAN refuse? Which one is it?

Shut the fuck up about not being able to refuse, and wear the consequences, or just do the fucking test.

[scumdog]

AFAIK a blood test for drugs is different than a evidential blood test for excess alcohol. I don't think you can refuse the blood test. I think the police can hold you down to get the blood.

Join this group and tell all your friends to join and notify the media.

I think you don't think enough......

As you were.....