Close Up poll on climate change

[Jantar]

A very interesting result.

77% agreed with Ian Wishart (sceptics)
23% agreed with Gareth Morgan (warmers)

It isn't a significant poll as it wasn't random, but does show that most people out there are thinking with their brain and not their emotions.

[wbks]

Not like that bitch that literally cried about climate change, ey...

[Skyryder]

I suspect most are in disagreement with the Carbon Trading and voted accordingly.

Like can ya blame them? Relying on the market to fix the planet. Go figure.


Skyryder

[puddytat]

I suspect most are in disagreement with the Carbon Trading and voted accordingly.

Like can ya blame them? Relying on the market to fix the planet. Go figure.


Skyryder

Yeah,using the same system that stuffed it to fix it aint going to work. Ive always wondered, where are all these carbon credits coming from? Or are we just going to print them like Oh so many U.S dollars?
Dont see too much tree planting go on....

[motor_mayhem]

A very interesting result.

77% agreed with Ian Wishart (sceptics)
23% agreed with Gareth Morgan (warmers)

It isn't a significant poll as it wasn't random, but does show that most people out there are thinking with their brain and not their emotions.

I wouldn't rely on popular opinion to define truth. Before 1820 popular opinion stated the world was flat.

[Jantar]

I wouldn't rely on popular opinion to define truth. Before 1820 popular opinion stated the world was flat.

Excatly. Which is why I said the poll was interesting, but not significant. Science is never about concensus, its about fact.

[Quasievil]

I wouldn't rely on popular opinion to define truth. Before 1820 popular opinion stated the world was flat.

people are a bit cleverer these days, well apart from your neck of the woods where the stoopid reside

[Magua]

I wouldn't rely on popular opinion to define truth. Before 1820 popular opinion stated the world was flat.

Err, 1820?

people are a bit cleverer these days, well apart from your neck of the woods where the stoopid reside

People are just as ignorant as ever.

[rainman]

Science is never about concensus, its about fact.

Read any Kuhn?

[bogan]

yeh, i was hoping for a bit better story on it tbh, how the fuck are we sposed to decide, when each side accuses the other of fabricating evidence and talking bullshit?

[avgas]

yeh, i was hoping for a bit better story on it tbh, how the fuck are we sposed to decide, when each side accuses the other of fabricating evidence and talking bullshit?

Yep sad fact of the matter is the science is not science anymore. Its marketing.
If it doesn't generate a buck no one gives a fuck.
While science proves we don't have enough evidence for global warming (which was a no brainer considering all recording started in 1950's), it does not shut down the fact that consumption has trended upwards since the beginning of time.
But then again - who makes a buck out of a balanced argument.

[Drunken Monkey]

I wouldn't rely on popular opinion to define truth. Before 1820 popular opinion stated the world was flat.

No, that is a myth created by Washington Irving and perpetuated by Thomas Bailey. Think of a better example.

[wbks]

No, that is a myth created by Washington Irving and perpetuated by Thomas Bailey. Think of a better example.

Oh, could one of the "intellectual earth savers" be trying to call "naysayers" stupid by using incorrect facts, AGAIN?

[Mikkel]

People are just as ignorant as ever.

I have to disagree, the pool of human knowledge increases over time - as such there is more to be ignorant of, and consequently it would be reasonable to say that people, in general, are more ignorant now than they have ever been.

E.g. thinking that fever is caused by evil spirits invading the body is not really ignorance if there is no medical knowledge available to explain what really is going on - it's merely superstition.
On the other hand, if said knowledge was readily available and people chose still to believe in spirits, that is ignorance.

[motor_mayhem]

No, that is a myth created by Washington Irving and perpetuated by Thomas Bailey. Think of a better example.

Oh, could one of the "intellectual earth savers" be trying to call "naysayers" stupid by using incorrect facts, AGAIN?

The sun revolving around the earth, Everything is made up of a mixture of the classic elements [Fire, Air, Earth, Water], the atom is the smallest particle there is - just some of the myths collected and treated as the truth by popular opinion.

FTR I am a fence sitter, I think there is not enough data to catagorically prove either way. However like religion attempting to crush some of the science that disproved the above and many others, I can see how religion of the almighty $ would want to crush any discoveries by the "intellectual earth savers"