NZ MP in trouble for riding without helmet… in parliament

**James Deuce** · 10th December 2009, 22:54

When did I make it a race issue?

Why does everyone keep reiterating my points in paragraphs of 1 million words or more?

**slowpoke** · 11th December 2009, 21:22

Originally Posted by James Deuce

When did I make it a race issue?

Why does everyone keep reiterating my points in paragraphs of 1 million words or more?

Hone made it a race issue.

And your post was rebutted, not reiterated.

As per your original post Jim, Hone certainly does have his principles, but they are divisive and based on hate. It may be just a private email between a coupla mates but it gives an interesting, rather ugly insight. Based on that email there quite simply is no "we", it's just "us" and "them". Oh, and going by his bullshit overseas activities there's most definitely a "me".

**James Deuce** · 11th December 2009, 21:34

Not it wasn't rebutted, because the bulk of people's replies revolved around punishing Hone for wasting taxpayers money whilst overseas. I said that should happen too. I'm not sure people are actually reading my post and understanding it so I'll bullet point it:

1. KB has some of the most racist people I have ever come across, posting worse race hate diatribes than Hone wrote in the offending email, on a regular basis.

2. It isn't illegal to ride a motorcycle on a private road without a helmet. Many of you do it at home. What's the big deal?

3. He bunked off when he should have gone to a meeting we paid him to go to. Naughty boy needs proper punishing for that. Thanks to the racist's making a big deal out of an email a "mate" of his leaked to the press (real mates don't do stuff that will fuck you over) he's escaped punishment for missing a meeting we paid him to go to.

**ManDownUnder** · 11th December 2009, 21:38

Originally Posted by Bob

The police now need to decide what action is to be taken.

Why yes.. they do.

**oldguy** · 11th December 2009, 21:38

Originally Posted by slowpoke

Hone made it a race issue.

And your post was rebutted, not reiterated.

As per your original post Jim, Hone certainly does have his principles, but they are divisive and based on hate. It may be just a private email between a coupla mates but it gives an interesting, rather ugly insight. Based on that email there quite simply is no "we", it's just "us" and "them". Oh, and going by his bullshit overseas activities there's most definitely a "me".

Its what the world revolves around, It has always been about us and them. depending on your point of view.

who cares if he wore a helmet or not.

**oldguy** · 11th December 2009, 21:49

Originally Posted by James Deuce

Not it wasn't rebutted, because the bulk of people's replies revolved around punishing Hone for wasting taxpayers money whilst overseas. I said that should happen too. I'm not sure people are actually reading my post and understanding it so I'll bullet point it:

1. KB has some of the most racist people I have ever come across, posting worse race hate diatribes than Hone wrote in the offending email, on a regular basis.

2. It isn't illegal to ride a motorcycle on a private road without a helmet. Many of you do it at home. What's the big deal?

3. He bunked off when he should have gone to a meeting we paid him to go to. Naughty boy needs proper punishing for that. Thanks to the racist's making a big deal out of an email a "mate" of his leaked to the press (real mates don't do stuff that will fuck you over) he's escaped punishment for missing a meeting we paid him to go to.

I agree, He's a politician, he did what politicians have done for years, not only in this country but around the world, the only thing is he's Maori so that singles him out.

**pritch** · 11th December 2009, 23:07

Originally Posted by p.dath

I want parliament filled with really "good" people, who are above average, who are leaders, who have management skills, you can identify problems and implement solutions.

Shit oh dear! Are you ever doomed to a life of disappointment

I don't regard myself as a cynic. On the other hand cynicism would seem the appropriate way to regard politicians...

As the old joke says, the last person to enter Parliament with honest intentions was Guy Fawkes

**James Deuce** · 11th December 2009, 23:21

You're not a cynic, just an experienced realist.

**Big Dave** · 12th December 2009, 06:11

Originally Posted by Bob

When you are trying to get away from the stereotypical image of bikers as troublemakers,

Counts me out then.

**CookMySock** · 12th December 2009, 07:13

Originally Posted by motor_mayhem

Note Deuce that it's not an issue of race, it's an issue of an irresponsible individual who has done something bad and tried to justify it by saying something racist.

I don't think he tried to justify it.. I think he took umbrage at the fact some whitey told him off, and since he is superiour to all whiteys on account he is tangata whenua and everyone else are just visitors, then they can get bent.

Originally Posted by James Deuce

KB has some of the most racist people I have ever come across, posting worse race hate diatribes than Hone wrote in the offending email, on a regular basis.

I think a large proportion of that is members being mock-abusive. I can be horrifically abusive with a smirk on my face.. ala chinx, blax, jews et al, but the internet either isolates the reader from said smirk, or leaves opportunities open for the reader to project their own prejudice onto the remark.

Steve

**Tank** · 12th December 2009, 08:00

Originally Posted by DangerousBastard

I don't think he tried to justify it.. I think he took umbrage at the fact some whitey told him off, and since he is superiour to all whiteys on account he is tangata whenua and everyone else are just visitors, then they can get bent.

I think a large proportion of that is members being mock-abusive. I can be horrifically abusive with a smirk on my face.. ala chinx, blax, jews et al, but the internet either isolates the reader from said smirk, or leaves opportunities open for the reader to project their own prejudice onto the remark.

Steve

How someone reads your post dosnt show their prejudice - In most cases they simply read it as it is written. Take ownership for the tripe you write - dont blame it on others and how they read it.

As for you typing some of that with a smirk on your face - I always pictured you with your head off to the side, tongue hanging out and dribbling.

**Blue TLS** · 18th December 2009, 00:32

Politicians get busted for this sort of thing all the time but most of them say they are sorry and promise they wont do it again, not this one it seems.
As far as I'm concerned Hone Harawira is on my short list of people I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire. Now I better get my white mofo ass back to raping this land

**SS90** · 18th December 2009, 01:23

Originally Posted by James Deuce

Hone is something you guys all claim to want in Parliament; a principled politician with clear goals and objectives. Irrespective of whether or not you agree with him, remember that he is encumbered by "friends" who drop him in the crap at the drop of a hat by forwarding personal emails. People say worse about Maori, Jews, Germans, the French, Catholics, practically anyone who isn't a pale Kiwi mongrel on Kiwi Biker, but you hold your politicians to higher standards. What the?

I've argued the double standards thing in support of MPs having a greater responsibility to be model citizens previously. I was wrong. They're just people.

He spent taxpayers money on a junket to Paris when he was sent to represent us in Belgium. That's naughty. He needs to be punished for that, not personal emails, nor riding on a driveway with no helmet on.

Providing visual tacit support to the Bikeoi by riding a bike on the day is the best we'll get from the Maori Party.

I agree with most of what you write James, but I have to disagree with a key point (that being the "personal emails").

Now, while I don't see a problem with him riding a bike with no helmet in front of parliament (it's in a similar vein to the tractor incident), and I feel that members of parliament need some scope to draw attention to things that would otherwise be brushed under the carpet....but.....

A member of parliament needs to set certain examples particularly when it comes to matters of race relations, be they in a "personal" email or otherwise.

Was I offended?

You bet.

I didn't shed a wee tear, nor did I contact my mates and have a little councilling session before calling my mummy.

But, I was offended.

Why?

Because there is no way in hell I would ever write such an insulting email about any race of people, let alone using the words he did, and as such feel insulted if someone else did it about my race.

Sure, there is a part of me that sympathises with the subject of his letter, and the little conspiracy theorist inside me can't shake the niggly feeling that he was in no way surprised that this email made it into the public eye.........

For years Maori truly where discriminated against, and he is old enough to remember it first hand, now I am in no way trying to make light of it, but it's no where near as bad as other indigenous people have had it (and most places still do), but the important thing that we can't lose sight of is moving on.

He clearly is not ready to do so.

Modern Maoridom clearly champion the concept of "role models", and, as a member of Parliament, he is duty bound to be one.

But, he is a BAD role model for the Maori youth of today.

Simply, writing trashy (I think criminal) emails such as that tells me he needs to leave his job immediately and let someone else do his job correctly.

Shit, he won't even applogise for the email, only the words he used.

**Bob** · 30th December 2009, 01:15

I almost didn't post this, fearing a riot, but news is news...

NZ Police have decided that no action will be taken against MP Hone Harawira for riding a motorbike without a helmet.

Following a television news item where Mr Harawira was shown riding on the parliament forecourt, police were contacted by members of the public. After studying the issues, Inspector Peter Cowan said after careful consideration, including public interest, the matter will not proceed further.