Lost ACC case

**Toaster** · 16th December 2009, 20:35

Originally Posted by Edbear

Had similar happen to me, mate. You're right, they only review whether they made the right decision in the first instance.

See if your GP can make some noise for you. Esp if he can get you an appointment with a specialist who can confirm the injury was from the accident.

Next step is to take it to the District Court.

I will take a sheep along as an anti-ACC witness....

...but I am sure he will just bleat on and do grass in front of the judge.

**Brian d marge** · 17th December 2009, 02:12

Originally Posted by ckai

We were discussing this same thing. I'm currently on ACC. Finding it bloody tough for money at the mo' since I don't get all my wages. I'm working 16 hours a week instead of 40 for the past 2 weeks due to go back to work next week full time again. Probably ahead of when I should but feel like I'm getting the hurry up from ACC.

Now it's not a big issue for me since I work from home and I can revolve my hours around when I feel up to it. I can also see why ACC push to get people working to move them on from the system. But for me, and others that feel guilty being on it, it's a kick in the teeth to know others are screwing it entirely.
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They are trying to screw you out of you entitlement

Dont feel guilty , ACC is there for you to recover , because WE as a caring society have decided that is the case

Now

a non new zealand , non English /Scottish ( who , the Scottish and English , lived in shit conditions and wanted a better egalitarian society ) people, have decided that OUR ideals born from OUR history aint worth a hill of goatshite

So they introduce a business orientated profit driven model . one which never has benefited the people ..not sustainable,,,

unfortunately they are bigger than us so we are trying to appear to be playing ball

You Stick to your acc , get the best treatment nz can provide . get back to work when you feel you can .

don't feel guilty

The drop kicks I get pissed off with are people who CAN work but don't want to ,,,and then play the system ( which is a result of poverty ,,,,another subject ,,,lest to say if everyone was rich ,,then there wouldn't be any one on the dole ,,,,)

you know who they are ,,,,,

Stephen

**SS90** · 17th December 2009, 04:21

Originally Posted by Brian d'marge

They are trying to screw you out of you entitlement

Dont feel guilty , ACC is there for you to recover , because WE as a caring society have decided that is the case

Now

a non new zealand , non English /Scottish ( who , the Scottish and English , lived in shit conditions and wanted a better egalitarian society ) people, have decided that OUR ideals born from OUR history aint worth a hill of goatshite

So they introduce a business orientated profit driven model . one which never has benefited the people ..not sustainable,,,

unfortunately they are bigger than us so we are trying to appear to be playing ball

You Stick to your acc , get the best treatment nz can provide . get back to work when you feel you can .

don't feel guilty

The drop kicks I get pissed off with are people who CAN work but don't want to ,,,and then play the system ( which is a result of poverty ,,,,another subject ,,,lest to say if everyone was rich ,,then there wouldn't be any one on the dole ,,,,)

you know who they are ,,,,,

Stephen

Hang on Brian....don't you live in Japan?

wearing a Gaijin smile?

**Toaster** · 17th December 2009, 07:55

Originally Posted by Brian d'marge

They are trying to screw you out of you entitlement

Dont feel guilty , ACC is there for you to recover , because WE as a caring society have decided that is the case

Now

a non new zealand , non English /Scottish ( who , the Scottish and English , lived in shit conditions and wanted a better egalitarian society ) people, have decided that OUR ideals born from OUR history aint worth a hill of goatshite

So they introduce a business orientated profit driven model . one which never has benefited the people ..not sustainable,,,

unfortunately they are bigger than us so we are trying to appear to be playing ball

You Stick to your acc , get the best treatment nz can provide . get back to work when you feel you can .

don't feel guilty

The drop kicks I get pissed off with are people who CAN work but don't want to ,,,and then play the system ( which is a result of poverty ,,,,another subject ,,,lest to say if everyone was rich ,,then there wouldn't be any one on the dole ,,,,)

you know who they are ,,,,,

Stephen

I wished I had done that instead of rushing back into work.

**Brian d marge** · 18th December 2009, 01:34

Originally Posted by SS90

Hang on Brian....don't you live in Japan?

wearing a Gaijin smile?

yes
love NZ , worked hard to try and stop the rot , got fed up and voted with my feet

When student loans and the shit that happened back in the eighties , I paid with my own money to see the pollies and try and stop the stupidity ,,,,

failed

I do want to return , and I send a lot of my work to NZ , but you fellas are making it mighty hard to Justify the return

Stephen

**SS90** · 18th December 2009, 01:43

I'm confused though,

Are you championing private accident insurance or state accident insurance?

**Brian d marge** · 18th December 2009, 03:08

Originally Posted by SS90

I'm confused though,

Are you championing private accident insurance or state accident insurance?

Neither

ACC , which while technically you could call it an insurance , i prefer the word assurance

Acc world famous in NZ

Stephen

**SS90** · 18th December 2009, 04:24

Originally Posted by Brian d'marge

Neither

ACC , which while technically you could call it an insurance , i prefer the word assurance

Acc world famous in NZ

Stephen

Hmm, yea, maybe
I'm not so sure though, as it is now (other than rego levies), I understand that the largest contribution to the road accident fund comes from taxes on petrol.

If we go the private route, what happens to that tax.....do fuel prices go down by 80%?

That would be logical wouldn't it?

Private health and accident insurance meaning no ACC would surely mean that the tax on fuel that is allocated to ACC would have to be abolished.

**oldrider** · 18th December 2009, 07:54

While you have a monopoly welfare system, you have no choice, because there is no competition, the government just keeps screwing you!

**Brian d marge** · 18th December 2009, 13:16

Originally Posted by oldrider

While you have a monopoly welfare system, you have no choice, because there is no competition, the government just keeps screwing you!

But you cant vote out Walmart

As to petrol levies , thats true the gas should go down,,,(tui)

but ACC is a community wide scheme So I pay for dotty aunt betty who falls , and she pays for me in my folly

Stephen ( pre coffee sorry )

**oldrider** · 18th December 2009, 23:18

Originally Posted by Brian d'marge

But you cant vote out Walmart

As to petrol levies , thats true the gas should go down,,,(tui)

but ACC is a community wide scheme So I pay for dotty aunt betty who falls , and she pays for me in my folly

Stephen ( pre coffee sorry )

It would appear that way at first but if you really think about it.

What would Walmart look like without any customers? It's not compulsory to shop at Walmart!

Apparently we are still paying emergency levies posted on petrol during WW2!

ACC is also paying out to murders for top of the line prosthetics and you pay for it, you have no choice!

Subsequently, the cost of ACC welfare is getting to be way higher than any alternative private individual ACCident insurance premium!

You are forced to stay with ACC, whether you want to or not! (by your friendly government)

Now the government is overcharging you for owning and registering your motorcycle even though you don't want them to, it is extortion!

Extortion is a crime in NZ, isn't it?

Just discussing the subject and swapping a few thoughts here, it's just the way things appear to me!

**Beemer** · 19th December 2009, 15:41

I'm off on ACC right now, following a fall down a flight of stairs at the end of November. Work didn't tell me I had to let ACC know I was still off work and ACC didn't bother telling me either, so it's doubtful I'll get any payments from them until the new year. Our office is closed from yesterday until January 5 so they can't give them any info, and as ACC only assigned me a case manager yesterday, there's not a lot he can do.

What annoys me is that they have the form the ambulance guys filled out when they picked me up, yet they keep asking me how my sprained thumb is. When I fell I hit my head on the hand rail, slammed my left hand into the wall (I think - can't remember) and smashed both knees and my left shin and foot on the stairs and/or wall. I didn't hurt my thumb at all - in fact it's one of the few things I didn't hurt!

I've now developed a haematoma on my leg and it hurts like a bastard. I can't walk far or stand for long and as for kneeling - shit, tried it once last week and felt like I'd landed on broken glass! He said if it was just the hand injury they'd say I'd be off work for three weeks, but he's thinking about five (the doctor says about five to six) once you factor in the leg. What's the bet they come back next year and say "a thumb injury only entitles you to a week off work so you're not covered"?