Shaun, you appear to have little idea on how a fork functions, you quote a term you've heard here without knowing what it is and say it's reduced, what is CROSS TALK and what problems has it been giving you, how have your lap times been hampered by it?
As Pussy quite rightly says his forks are not giving him any problems, I've yet to read a post by him where he says that every time he adjusts the compression he has to compensate with the rebound or vice versa.
If oil was only flowing in one direction your forks wouldn't work, you've got the idea of the functions being seperated all wrong.
The lumps of metal inside a fork are not passive, they are constantly cycling up and down, squeezing fluid through orifices, spraying it through jets, flowing it round and round, it's not a static cup subjected to a little vibration. Having a bigger cartridge, more metal inside the forks etc, etc has no effect on the aeration of the fluid, it's going to get aerated, the amount of aeration directly impacts the viscosity of the fluid, the aeration is not a constant equal factor, it's changing all the time giving an inconsistent damping action.
What does that last paragrah mean?
In building this cartridge Ohlins have removed the complete compression assembly, have a look at all the components that make up that assembly, the machining involved, the materials, the assembly time, they could easily have made a gas reservoir and associated components to make the 30mm gas pressurised for the same cost as the 25, enterprising suspension companies I suspect will be doing exactly that.
this thread is awesome, keep the education coming!
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Just out of curiosity, what are people buying Ohlins 25mm cartridges where you are for?
MSRP over here is something like $1800 USD but no one was buying them. Now they are being sold for $1k USD or less and they are moving pretty quick. People are buying them used for around $600 USD.
I don't see Ohlins selling a gas charged cartridge to their distributors who are then going to turn around and re-sell it to their customers for close to that price.
Guess I better sit down and shut up then
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There was no list, it was all applications as long as inventory lasted.
They weren't selling and they would not sell at $1800 USD.
The average club racer can get his stock cartridges re-valved and re-sprung for around $600 to $700 depending on who does it and what parts get put in. You can purchase Traxxion 20mm cartridges for under $1000. That average club racer is not going to go any faster by spending another $1k+ on a set of Ohlins cartridges with out of the box valving and poor support from Ohlins US.
No need to shut up Shaun. Even though JT made some valid points so did you. Its interesting that comments made are deficient of practical experience with this system. Yes they could be pressurised but just imagine that given the ''I can do it aproach'' how many would get serviced incorrectly. That is not justification in itself but Ohlins is a very successful company despite all the naysayers.
Aso know Superbike, 600 and Formula 3 TRI series all used this system, in 25mm guise.
To the gutless Tag Line person, how can Ohlins = ripoff when their net profit is 7% ??????
But with excellent Ohlins backup support and personalised setup they can indeed go faster. It seems many of your countrymen like to discount them around the world but backup is an unknown commodity even in your own country! I know your thoughts on this subject are similiar and very perceptive.
If Traxxion installed a decent rebound piston in their cartridges theyd work a whole lot better on that score alone, but 20mm is way outdated for ultimate performance. They just dont push enough fluid.
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