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**meowmix** · 28th January 2010, 16:42

Originally Posted by red mermaid

Im sorry, you believed a lawyer?!...
If you had gone to your local station and seen the Prosecution section you would have more likely cleared it up yourself.

Yes well I didn't have much else to go on at the time. The police station was useless, I had been in there several times before. There are only voulnteers at the desk and most of the time there is noone at all.
I have just recieved a notice saying one of the cases (or perhaps both lumped into one?) had been Adjourned, yet they want me to come in for a "One hour Defended hearing" in March. Is this standard or did that Lawyer miss something (like the other offence)?

**red mermaid** · 28th January 2010, 19:41

So phone, ask for prosecutions (before 9am is best), explain what your position is in regard to false info being given and ask for an appt to come in and speak to them and get it cleared it.

**geoffm** · 28th January 2010, 21:39

Originally Posted by red mermaid

If the police officer identifies you in court as the person he spoke to then the statement you have been advised to make will be worth a tin of shit. "Your Worship, the Police have failed to positively identify that I was the person who committed the alleged offence."

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My experience is that cops will lie like a rug to make the case - especally with traffic wher eno evidence is required. Cop says your guilty, judge always agrees, next one.
Don't be surprised if the cop swears it is you wen you ahve never met before.

**meowmix** · 27th February 2010, 11:42

Finally finished. I think. The solicitor got me off one charge apparently, forgot the other. I have recieved a letter from the officer that issued the other charge saying they have dropped the charge. I replied expressing gratitude that it had been dropped, and also my distaste at the situation. She then found me on the street (got one of those bulls#1t-end-of-month-tickets, ironic really), and sort of had a go at the proposition that the Police should make an attempt to ID the people they pull over that don't have a license. Wtf.
Ohwell, all done and dusted, and frankly I'm sick of the Police alltogether. Not one positive experience with them yet, but I'm sure someone out there might have.. Maybe.

**jahrasti** · 27th February 2010, 14:10

Originally Posted by peasea

You're not wrong mate. I've seen cops lie in the box and seen bullshit written statements fererring to incidents I saw unravel and you try and tell that to a judge. Yeah, sure there are some good cops etc etc but when the shit hits the fan they circle the wagons and use OUR money to fight any and all allegations. The last time I checked I think it was about 3% of complaints against police were upheld. You can't tell me that the other 97% were all bullshit; some of them sure, but not 97%. What it boils down to is how much time and money a member of the public is willing to spend bringing a liar in blue to account.

And what oh great one do you class as being upheld?

Is that the 3% in which the Police get fired? Is it the 3% in which the Police are found at fault? What about the complaints that are not a PCA but are a letter or dissatisfaction or similar. These could be dealt with by a performance plan or specific training for the officer concerned. After all this happens in jobs in the real world. Why would Police be different?

Does this not happen? If it doesn't how do you know. Or will it be a generic statement like "Because they all just fuck'n look after each other".

**peasea** · 27th February 2010, 15:58

Originally Posted by jahrasti

"Because they all just fuck'n look after each other".

You're catching on.

So tell us, Ferous Nads, what is it you do for a living? Just curious.

Signed; The Great One. (I like it.)

**peasea** · 27th February 2010, 16:18

Originally Posted by meowmix

Finally finished. I think. The solicitor got me off one charge apparently, forgot the other. I have recieved a letter from the officer that issued the other charge saying they have dropped the charge. I replied expressing gratitude that it had been dropped, and also my distaste at the situation. She then found me on the street (got one of those bulls#1t-end-of-month-tickets, ironic really), and sort of had a go at the proposition that the Police should make an attempt to ID the people they pull over that don't have a license. Wtf.
Ohwell, all done and dusted, and frankly I'm sick of the Police alltogether. Not one positive experience with them yet, but I'm sure someone out there might have.. Maybe.

Well I'm glad I'm not the only one who is "sick of the police" and their bully-boy antics.

**jahrasti** · 27th February 2010, 17:07

Originally Posted by peasea

You're catching on.

So tell us, Ferous Nads, what is it you do for a living? Just curious.

Signed; The Great One. (I like it.)

So how many cops have you seen lie in the 'box'? I mean I am curious as you are so wise on the whole subject.

The hourly cost of bike shops gets me angry as they charge more than alot of car places now. However I don't know enough about the industry to know if the costs are justified, so I don't make broad unjustified statements.
What do I do for a job? I am the most overworked, underpaid drive through worker that fat boy fast food chains have ever seen.

**kwaka_crasher** · 27th February 2010, 17:30

Originally Posted by jahrasti

These could be dealt with by a performance plan or specific training for the officer concerned. After all this happens in jobs in the real world. Why would Police be different?

We're lead to believe they've already been rigorously selected and well trained.

Why would Police be any different? You mean aside from their statutory powers being able to fuck with your life on a whimsical accusation?

**peasea** · 27th February 2010, 19:17

Originally Posted by kwaka_crasher

We're lead to believe they've already been rigorously selected and well trained.

Why would Police be any different? You mean aside from their statutory powers being able to fuck with your life on a whimsical accusation?

Kinda rings a bell here...........

**peasea** · 27th February 2010, 19:20

Originally Posted by jahrasti

So how many cops have you seen lie in the 'box'? I mean I am curious as you are so wise on the whole subject.

The hourly cost of bike shops gets me angry as they charge more than alot of car places now. However I don't know enough about the industry to know if the costs are justified, so I don't make broad unjustified statements.
What do I do for a job? I am the most overworked, underpaid drive through worker that fat boy fast food chains have ever seen.

Three, and I can still recall the names of two of them.

So, I can assume from your employment status that you are either quite young (and therefore impressionable) or an ageing loser. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and guess that you are young. I am not, so pay attention; some cops lie, plain and simple.

**jahrasti** · 27th February 2010, 20:25

Originally Posted by peasea

Three, and I can still recall the names of two of them.

So, I can assume from your employment status that you are either quite young (and therefore impressionable) or an ageing loser. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and guess that you are young. I am not, so pay attention; some cops lie, plain and simple.

You just said it SOME COPS LIE. Fair enough I am not going to dispute that. I am sure that it has happened, however one would think that all credibility would be lost once caught.

I have friends from the Military that have joined the Police and they are fuckin good people and straight as an arrow. It pisses me off when people throw around generalised statements. These are good people who are honest and do the thin blue line proud.

You don't like the cops big deal I really couldn't give a shit. When you write generalised crap and try to pass it off as gospel, that is what I take offence to.

I have a personal experience of a surgeon lying in a Coroners inquest HOWEVER I don't lump all surgeons into the same bullshitting pile.

Why do you assume that I am either a ageing loser or young? Are you implying that what some one does for a living directly influences what type of person they are. Is a Forensic Nurse crazy because they work with mental patients, Or is a Company Director a megolomanic because he likes to run the company.

Do you lump Firefighters all as arsonist's because there have been previous incidents of their employees actually lighting fires? I would hazzard a guess and say that it is extremely rare and they are good people.

**peasea** · 27th February 2010, 20:37

Originally Posted by jahrasti

You just said it SOME COPS LIE. Fair enough I am not going to dispute that. I am sure that it has happened, however one would think that all credibility would be lost once caught.

I have friends from the Military that have joined the Police and they are fuckin good people and straight as an arrow. It pisses me off when people throw around generalised statements. These are good people who are honest and do the thin blue line proud.

You don't like the cops big deal I really couldn't give a shit. When you write generalised crap and try to pass it off as gospel, that is what I take offence to.

I have a personal experience of a surgeon lying in a Coroners inquest HOWEVER I don't lump all surgeons into the same bullshitting pile.

Why do you assume that I am either a ageing loser or young? Are you implying that what some one does for a living directly influences what type of person they are. Is a Forensic Nurse crazy because they work with mental patients, Or is a Company Director a megolomanic because he likes to run the company.

Do you lump Firefighters all as arsonist's because there have been previous incidents of their employees actually lighting fires? I would hazzard a guess and say that it is extremely rare and they are good people.

You obviously DO give a shit, otherwise you'd just let it go, but no.....

Many company directors are, in fact, megalomaniacs.

Often, what one does for a living will impact on their life and therefore their persona. Try living with an actor; you never know when they are being straight up or if they're taking the piss, which highlights how good that person is at acting.

Ultimately? Who gives a fuck?