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    As we talk I'm daydreaming about converting the Van to the enlightened path.


    Wonder where I'd fit the spannies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
    As we talk I'm daydreaming about converting the Van to the enlightened path.


    Wonder where I'd fit the spannies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
    As we talk I'm daydreaming about converting the Van to the enlightened path.


    Wonder where I'd fit the spannies?
    Under the floor! You don't need all that ground clearance!

    I often daydream of building a 1000cc 2 stroke V8 for my fibregalss beach buggy.
    It would be quite expensive to get someone to make the crank and cases...
    As a rally/hillclimb/gravel sprint car it would be class B, so in with 1600s and 1800s mostly but the power to weight ratio would be WAAAY better.
    It would need lots of other handling stuff.




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    Quote Originally Posted by marsheng View Post
    The crank is already balanced in a FXR. The vibration is from out of phase motion, hence the balance shaft is set out of phase with the crank and soaks up the motion.
    So that would be the same for all singles then?

    Because the mighty GN with the rebalanced crank after it was lightened (on the rare occasion when it was going) was a damn sight smoother than a FXR sans balance shaft
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post
    So that would be the same for all singles then?

    Because the mighty GN with the rebalanced crank after it was lightened (on the rare occasion when it was going) was a damn sight smoother than a FXR sans balance shaft
    Balancing is a black art. The piston trings and gudgeon pin are weighed and a % of this is taken for balancing the crank, anywhere between 50 and 70%. A single will always vibrate, the question is when you take the whole weight and springiness of frame and motor etc, can you get get the balance factor at a point that gives minimum vibration at the riding speed.

    Twins are just as bad. Think of old Nortons. It was found that if you took a Norton and set one crank at 76 deg to the other, the vibrations were drastically reduced.

    To get a single 'balanced', what has been done in the past is a few tapped holes are drilled in the crank and then various different weight materials are screwed in and run and then tested for vibration.

    I was thinking that a plug hole in the crank case could facilitate this.

    My hand gets numb on my Honda CB150 after 4-6 laps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koba View Post
    Under the floor! You don't need all that ground clearance!

    I often daydream of building a 1000cc 2 stroke V8 for my fibregalss beach buggy.
    It would be quite expensive to get someone to make the crank and cases...
    As a rally/hillclimb/gravel sprint car it would be class B, so in with 1600s and 1800s mostly but the power to weight ratio would be WAAAY better.
    It would need lots of other handling stuff.




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    Quote Originally Posted by marsheng View Post
    . . . Think of old Nortons. . .
    I'd prefer not to.

    being 360 twins they were like two singles anyway.

    Not sure I like the idea of screwing things into a crank while still in the cases & hoping it stays put at 12,000rpm.

    You could try a flywheel weight with offset, while it would create a rocking couple would give you an order of magnitude test. Seen it done before
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    Quote Originally Posted by marsheng View Post
    To get a single 'balanced', what has been done in the past is a few tapped holes are drilled in the crank and then various different weight materials are screwed in and run and then tested for vibration.

    My hand gets numb on my Honda CB150 after 4-6 laps.
    Cheers Wallace
    My GN got a few extra bits of metal welded to the crank, even in a 1 hour race there is no numbing of the hands
    It was done by HPE when they lightened it
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    Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
    As we talk I'm daydreaming about converting the Van to the enlightened path.


    Wonder where I'd fit the spannies?
    Fpppt.....

    Mine IS a two stroke, 600cc air cooled 4 speed, and, if you lay the rear seat down, you can actually fit a vespa in the back...... I drove it from Imola to Münich with a vespa in the back last year...... I wonder if it could haul a bucket round NZ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by koba View Post
    So, Supermono = good?
    The Supermono had a 2nd rod that connected to a weight to imitate a 2nd cylinder at 90 deg.
    As for the FXR vib issues with the balance shaft removed, I have a sure fire cure. LEAVE THE SODDING BALANCE SHAFT IN. That will work every time.

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