ChCh probably dosent produce any more pollution than other cities, its just the inversion layer TRAPS IT IN, like the lid on a pot. Other places it is dissapated away more rapidily, and therefore not so noticableOriginally Posted by TwoSeven
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ChCh probably dosent produce any more pollution than other cities, its just the inversion layer TRAPS IT IN, like the lid on a pot. Other places it is dissapated away more rapidily, and therefore not so noticable
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Easy fix then,we'll just level the Port Hills
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Hardcore Biker
Most of the problems with NZ houses is a complete lack of adaquate insulation. Ever seen a NZ house with double glazing? So many houses are just badly made from the get go.
Burning firewood is a cheap and easy way to get heat without the kind of bills you get running gas central heating. The wood is generally pine or macrocarpa left over from land clearing or off cuts from tree work, a renewable resource in 95% of cases.
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No you wont. That's wher I live.Easy fix then,we'll just level the Port Hills
Christchurch has always had a polution problem. The closure of the gas works where coke could be purchased for open fires exacerbated the problem. Coke will smoke but once it reaches a certain temperture it is relitively clean burning.
later as a measure to counter coal and the open fire inefficiency the council in its wisdom promoted the use of log burners. Where once the coke and coal fire died in their own embers the new log burners by closeing the dampers would stay alight all night. The by product of this slow burning wood was smoke. This in my view is the main cause of todays smog. Coupled this with and inversion layer in the autumn and winter and you have Smog City.
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Is wood burner smoke even nasty to the atmosphere?
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It is in that by burning wood artificially in greater quantities than normal, naturally caused forest fire burn offs, humans being release more carbon into the atmosphere than would normally be there. However the quantity is negligible when compared to the quantity released by the Earth's crust.
Whetehr that is bad or not depends on whihc school of thought you subscribe to. Is our ecosystem fragile or robust and self correcting?
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Very strong language to use when presenting a luddite attitude, don't you think?
unless you can prove it.
Yup - mine.
Sorry - I don't buy that line. Trees are still cut down and burnt, irrespective of why they were cut down in the first place, it’s still stripping the land. As for them being renewable, well if they grew as fast as people burnt them you’d have a point. But as it is there's no way it can be described as renewable when demand exceeds the growth rate of new trees.
As an aside - Ms Biff almost bought a beautiful mahogany table the other week after the lady told her that the wood was from 'managed renewable sources'. She lady in the shop forgot to mention that it takes 200 years for the tree to grow in the first place.
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Hardcore Biker
Yeah it is renewable, clear thinning operations are carried out everywhere that there are forests. (although I hate pine plantations) The first few lengths of trunk are millable but the rest is waste and often picked up by firewood merchants.
The majority of firewood out there is Gum, Macrocarpa or Pine. These grow FAST. A pinus radiata reaches millable maturity in 25 years.
Christchurch gets most of its wood from trees felled on farmers land around Chch and from the supplies created by arborists around the city (of which christchurch is oversupplied and backyards are giving way to town houses).
This week alone I am spending 4 days in a tree which will yield about 6 tonnes once I get it down, I also have to quote on about 20 tonnes of pine and this afternoon got another job which will involve some 7 tonnes.
Saying this I have never made a single dollar from firewood. (Any kiwibikers want wood, and are prepared to do some backwork to get it, let me know)
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Probably because every year I end up sick as a dog with polution related illnesses only to have to listen to the shit lazy buggers spout about there being no polution problem or its someone else fault or some other crappy excuse.
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It means I'm not an authority or a teacher, and may not have any experience so take things with a pinch of salt (a.k.a bullshit) rather than fact
Deus ex ukulele
You're missing the point here. New Zealand's pine and Douglas Fir industries are renewable and designed for rotational harvest. We also plant more each year then we fell. In some parts of the country, renewable forest is the most ecologically friendly land use going.
Mahogany and other hardwoods can indeed be obtained from "manageable renewable resources", but only if a forest is managed so that rate of harvest is, at most, equal to the rate of regeneration. Make sure that any furniture you purchase has the relevant certification to validate any claims made by the retailer. Also don't forget that there are varieties of "mahogany" that mature faster than others...
"Standing on your mother's corpse you told me that you'd wait forever." [Bryan Adams: Summer of 69]
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Fair point, but I don't think Christchurch folks are any worse than most NZers when it comes to using organic fuels for heating. The climate and geography definitely conspire to trap stuff over Christchurch. Wellington gets "cleared" of airborne pollution regularly, and Auckland's prevailing westerly keeps things moving on too. Other cities of lesser habitation density don't tend to produce the cubic volumes of airborne particulates and gases that the "big 3" do.Probably because every year I end up sick as a dog with polution related illnesses only to have to listen to the shit lazy buggers spout about there being no polution problem or its someone else fault or some other crappy excuse.
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I am using wonderfully cheap Nuclear fuel ..as proccessed in stainless buckets by part time workers, oh and we fixed the leak ...we renamed it coolant overflow valve ....
Open the window darling and let some of the cool air in ...cant be arsed using the remote ...like troublesome ....
Stephen
Tokyo......
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unless you can prove it.
No I'm not missing the point. It is a fact that mahogany takes at least 200 years to mature and it is often sold illegally, being routed through Indonesia and Malaysia in order to obtain the certification you refer to.
A study conducted around 2 years ago by the UK govt revealed that the overwhelming majority of hard woods that carried certificates were felled illegally. In fact, this only came to light because an environmental organisation cried foul at the fact that a British parliament building was totally refurnished in hard wood. Then the govt carried out its own investigation, subsequently verified by several other European nations, which proved that this wood was obtained and felled illegally. Sometimes with the full knowledge of the govts in which the trees were felled. In fact, Borneo turned out to be one of the worst culprits. Virgin forests stripped bear of trees that took thousands of years to grow, and endangering animal species unique to the island in the process. Yet all of this wood carried certificates and was routed through other nations in an attempt to mask the region in which they originally grew.
As for the trees being burnt here being renewable, I'm sorry - but we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I've travelled around ChCh plenty of times, and see the carnage that's caused by raping the surrounding areas of trees. Just take a trip down SH1 from ChCh towards Timaru and look at all of the trees felled there for firewood. Then take a look of aerial photos of Canterbury 25 years ago. The images are compelling, in that they clearly show an enormous drop in the level of tree cover across the region. But then again I guess this is typical of most countries around the world, particularly in those areas surrounding cities.
Ok so you say that trees may be being planted elsewhere, but I don’t see them around here, so I can’t question this as I have no evidence to the contrary. And I certainly don't know enough about this specific area to go toe to toe with anyone. All I know is that my clothes stink, I can no longer go jogging in the evening due to the acrid stench, my lads 'asthma' appears to have gotton worse over the last few weeks and the image of NZ globally, a beautiful country, is being tarnished.
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Hardcore Biker
I duno about that, have you ever been to greece, croatia or italy, spain, portudal, montenegro? The sun is Bright and sand golden. Europe is poluted but there are still plenty of great (fairly) clean places to enjoy the summerLA still looks like shit most of the time, and the cloud of smog over Europe means you don't need sunglasses in Summer. I'm missing the point a bit I think.
On a different note whats up with the green peace people who are so worried about the environment (can id them by their bumper stickers) driving around in old heaps of junk that smoke like they are on fire. Take the bus or the train, maybe a bicycle if you are realy so concerned!
And it is a fact that new disels are cleaner running than petrol cars, its the old ones that are ready to throw the towel in that give disels a bad name. In europe everyone is turning to disel, and THEY know about polution first hand, not like us over here discussing a lil low cloud above chch
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