"New Zealand Stinks"

**Pixie** · 7th May 2005, 01:52

Originally Posted by Biff Baff

Why the fuck do we burn so many trees here?

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What else do you do with trees?
Hug them?

**Pixie** · 7th May 2005, 02:08

Originally Posted by 250learna

I duno about that, have you ever been to greece, croatia or italy, spain, portudal, montenegro? The sun is Bright and sand golden. Europe is poluted but there are still plenty of great (fairly) clean places to enjoy the summer

On a different note whats up with the green peace people who are so worried about the environment (can id them by their bumper stickers) driving around in old heaps of junk that smoke like they are on fire. Take the bus or the train, maybe a bicycle if you are realy so concerned!

And it is a fact that new disels are cleaner running than petrol cars, its the old ones that are ready to throw the towel in that give disels a bad name. In europe everyone is turning to disel, and THEY know about polution first hand, not like us over here discussing a lil low cloud above chch

Whats up with the Grin Piss people?
I'll tell you. Like any other group of religious fanatics they are hypocrites.They will have some rationalisation that their polluting shit box is saving the planet because they didn't "waste" resources by causing a new car to be built.
Nature is always at it's most evolutionarily creative when it has an environmental change to deal with.
Bring on the next Mass Extinction Event.

P.S.
Perhaps Chch'ers will evolve large trunk like probosces to filter the smog before it reaches their lungs?
Maybe G.E. can help here....Oops sorry another Evil technology.

**Brian d marge** · 7th May 2005, 02:13

Originally Posted by Jim2

Very strong language to use when presenting a luddite attitude, don't you think?

Ive read the above post a few times now and I cant see a luddite .the post by 27 ...( Sir Ludd was a bit narked at the introduction of new Machinery and the term is used for people who dont like new things or ways ,,,,,,,)

So As far as I know chch its the inversion layer AND the burning of product that cant reach full combustion temp (ie the temp to burn ALL of its consituents wood coal . oil what ever )

So how does ludditism come into that last post .....

Stephen

**Pixie** · 7th May 2005, 02:58

Originally Posted by Timber020

(Any kiwibikers want wood, and are prepared to do some backwork to get it, let me know)

"Whenever people get wood..they will think 'Trojans' "-Homer Simpson.

**Pixie** · 7th May 2005, 03:07

Originally Posted by Jim2

That has a great deal to do with the native flora being 150 million years older than everywhere on the planet except Tasmania and parts of the East coast of Aus. Our soil composition is also vastly different than most other arable places.

Another reason is the medical profession's willingness to label ANY respitory ailment with viral or allergen triggers asthma.

Airborne man-made carbon pollution is massively over-hyped. The Atlantic Ocean pumps out a HUGE amount of CO2, so much so that you can barely see man's output on a pie chart next to it, and I don't see anyone sticking a catalytic converter on the Mid-Atlantic Trench anytime soon.

Christchurch would have smog in winter, if only from the methane cloud produced by the organic carbon based life forms that live there. Without wood fire particulates to bind methane to, Christchurch would look like the surface of Titan during winter. LA still looks like shit most of the time, and the cloud of smog over Europe means you don't need sunglasses in Summer. I'm missing the point a bit I think.

Shhh....You'll call into doubt the anthropogenetic global warming industry

**scumdog** · 7th May 2005, 05:02

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

Ain't it great, people moan about pollution, yet we have unfettered importation of the worlds cast off shit-box cars, which are only cheap because they can't be used at home due to their polluting engines.
No wonder I'm a cynical bastard.

Your'e just wishing the Govt would ban such cars and then you could sell more motorbikes & poncy jackets

**Jamezo** · 7th May 2005, 10:51

Originally Posted by Pixie

Shhh....You'll call into doubt the anthropogenetic global warming industry

arghgh! it's attitudes like this that are actively condemning our grandchildren to eking out an existence on a shattered hulk of a planet.

I assume you mean 'anthropogenic'; a stunning display of your ability to (mis)use big words, while not quite comprehending exactly what you are saying. are you implying that an 'industry' can somehow arise out of thin air; and not be created by man?

are you aware of the highly concerted effort to undermine climate change science? publicly and not-so-publically bankrolled by, you guessed it, oil corporations and car manufacturers. they provide arguments as to how climate change science exists only to perpetuate itself, and also try to refute irrefutable data about what is happening to our planet. they are promoting ignorant business-as-usual attitudes, out of a fear of denting the Holy GDP/share price. way to go guys...

ok, the kyoto protocol is a huge steaming crock. but it's a start in taking responsibility for the survival of our species. personally, I am not too fussed about an increase in atmospheric carbon/temperature. what I care more about is the greedy, irresponsible plundering of irreplaceable natural resources. dammit, I want my kids to be able to afford petrol for their bikes, but thanks to 50 years of penis-size-engine-capacity bullshit, and absolutely PATHETIC fuel efficiency standards (in the US, SUVs are exempt from meeting even these, as they are classified as light trucks. go figure), that is becoming increasingly unlikely.

we cannot sustain this greed and ignorance! take your head out of the sand!

**Hitcher** · 7th May 2005, 16:54

Sigh. I wish science was a compulsory subject at schools. No wonder people vote for the Greens and we're going to hell in a handcart...

**James Deuce** · 7th May 2005, 17:05

Originally Posted by Brian d'marge

Ive read the above post a few times now and I cant see a luddite .the post by 27 ...( Sir Ludd was a bit narked at the introduction of new Machinery and the term is used for people who dont like new things or ways ,,,,,,,)

So As far as I know chch its the inversion layer AND the burning of product that cant reach full combustion temp (ie the temp to burn ALL of its consituents wood coal . oil what ever )

So how does ludditism come into that last post .....

Stephen

It's called paraphrasing, you literal clodhopper.

It also refers to the single minded application of a particular view contrary to scientific, spiritual, or popular belief. A dogmatic approach to old fashioned values and technology, despite the constant of change.

**James Deuce** · 7th May 2005, 17:13

Originally Posted by Jamezo

arghgh! it's attitudes like this that are actively condemning our grandchildren to eking out an existence on a shattered hulk of a planet.

I assume you mean 'anthropogenic'; a stunning display of your ability to (mis)use big words, while not quite comprehending exactly what you are saying. are you implying that an 'industry' can somehow arise out of thin air; and not be created by man?

are you aware of the highly concerted effort to undermine climate change science? publicly and not-so-publically bankrolled by, you guessed it, oil corporations and car manufacturers. they provide arguments as to how climate change science exists only to perpetuate itself, and also try to refute irrefutable data about what is happening to our planet. they are promoting ignorant business-as-usual attitudes, out of a fear of denting the Holy GDP/share price. way to go guys...

ok, the kyoto protocol is a huge steaming crock. but it's a start in taking responsibility for the survival of our species. personally, I am not too fussed about an increase in atmospheric carbon/temperature. what I care more about is the greedy, irresponsible plundering of irreplaceable natural resources. dammit, I want my kids to be able to afford petrol for their bikes, but thanks to 50 years of penis-size-engine-capacity bullshit, and absolutely PATHETIC fuel efficiency standards (in the US, SUVs are exempt from meeting even these, as they are classified as light trucks. go figure), that is becoming increasingly unlikely.

we cannot sustain this greed and ignorance! take your head out of the sand!

The Earth is NOT a closed system. The energy of the Moon's orbit predicates weather for decades ahead, and a drop in particular type of solar activity, such as sunspots or solar flares can mean things like a drop in Ozone in the upper atmosphere, and man with his little goldfish like memory for cataclysms forgetting what solar flares can do to electronics in a geosynchronous orbit. Global warming is a naturally occuring phenomena. Oceans do not rise because ice caps melt, they rise because liquids have greater volume as their energy state changes on the way to becoming a vapour. Excited atoms take up more room. Even David Bellamy, a committed long term conservationist, doesn't accept that man has precipitated the recent slight upward trend in global temperatures. More CO2 leaks out of the Mid-Atlantic trench in a week than man produces in a decade.

Conspiracies are mammothly less likely than complete and utter screw ups. Conspiracy theorists are amusing. Greens in power makes my skin crawl.

**Jamezo** · 7th May 2005, 17:14

Originally Posted by Hitcher

Sigh. I wish science was a compulsory subject at schools. No wonder people vote for the Greens and we're going to hell in a handcart...

do you not care for my spirited rantings? comment and analysis is welcome :S

**Blakamin** · 7th May 2005, 17:16

wished my scanner worked... this arrived in the mail today...
edit... it did work.....
bottom pic is masterton when its cold.... how many trees burning???
note the WCC put a bike in the middle???? arseholes...
and that falcon is breaking the law....

edit... and the other side has a note saying "Cars and home fires pollute our air" under a scratchy thing... that probably polluted heaps of shit to make..... not to mention the high-gloss paper and the fact it woulda gone to every house in the greater wellington area.....

**Waylander** · 7th May 2005, 17:18

Originally Posted by Blakamin

wished my scanner worked... this arrived in the mail today...
edit... it did work.....
bottom pic is masterton when its cold.... how many trees burning???

And a filtering motorbike.

**Hitcher** · 7th May 2005, 17:32

Originally Posted by Jamezo

do you not care for my spirited rantings? comment and analysis is welcome

Informed spirited rantings are OK. What people thought they overheard at the Taita Machine Knitters Club's advanced jute macrame class is another matter entirely...