What about an electric Bucket?

**bogan** · 15th January 2010, 09:24

Originally Posted by F5 Dave

My std 5.5hp Roadbike RG did an indicated 118 (gen105kph) on the road. I'd assume my bike could go faster.

But yeah 70-80k on a tight kart track is about right.

Excellent, thats about what the gearing is set at atm (only has one gear you see)

**ellipsis** · 15th January 2010, 11:10

I did see a bucket rider walking around the pits at Levels last Saturday with an electric jug, he was lookin for somewhere to plug it in, maybe you two should get together and talk technical sometime....

**Buckets4Me** · 15th January 2010, 12:07

the simple answer is NO !!!!!

24-2-4 Engines must be derived from non-competition motorcycles. Motocross, Road Racing,
Enduro and Go Kart motors and transmission parts are not permitted.
There shall be no restriction on the make, type or design of carburettor, ignition, exhaust, piston cam, valve springs or cooling system except for class eligibility.
All engines must be normally aspirated except F4 4 stroke engines of less than 100cc capacity, which may be turbo or supercharged.

unless you can show me a production motorbike with an electric engine

**bogan** · 15th January 2010, 12:21

Originally Posted by Buckets4Me

the simple answer is NO !!!!!

24-2-4 Engines must be derived from non-competition motorcycles. Motocross, Road Racing,
Enduro and Go Kart motors and transmission parts are not permitted.
There shall be no restriction on the make, type or design of carburettor, ignition, exhaust, piston cam, valve springs or cooling system except for class eligibility.
All engines must be normally aspirated except F4 4 stroke engines of less than 100cc capacity, which may be turbo or supercharged.

unless you can show me a production motorbike with an electric engine

the Brammo Enertia is the first one that springs to mind heres a link I'm not sure if there is a production bike using the same motor as I am though, but I don't think there is competition bikes using it either, It is used in some robotics applications, and homebuilt bikes, so definitely not derived from competition bikes!

**Buckets4Me** · 15th January 2010, 12:32

well I thought it was cut and dry
do MANZ reconise that as a bike avalible in NZ ?
24-2-4 Engines must be derived from non-competition motorcycles.
well if you can get one go for it
till they change, qualify the rules

**bogan** · 15th January 2010, 13:20

Originally Posted by Buckets4Me

well I thought it was cut and dry
do MANZ reconise that as a bike avalible in NZ ?
24-2-4 Engines must be derived from non-competition motorcycles.
well if you can get one go for it
till they change, qualify the rules

yeh I was hoping it'd be relatively cut and dry, as there is a fair amount of interpretation required to get the existing rules applicable to an electric it is probably best I just send an email to somebody well acquainted with rules, and who has the clout to decide one way or another.

least I know I qualify on one of the rules anyway

Bikes must be silenced as per MNZ or local track rules (whichever is the lower level).

**speedpro** · 15th January 2010, 17:16

Forget the rules, just turn up, it's bucket racing. Unless it's a blatant cheating attempt to win nobody is going to care.

**bogan** · 15th January 2010, 17:36

Originally Posted by speedpro

Forget the rules, just turn up, it's bucket racing. Unless it's a blatant cheating attempt to win nobody is going to care.

yeh but with electric bikes being a touchy subject for some it wouldn't surprise me if somebody complained, regardless of what position I would finish

**bucketracer** · 15th January 2010, 17:53

Show me where in the rules it says that the F4/F5 motor must actually be propelling you at the time of the race.

Get a small pit bike motor say 49cc, F5 legal and use it to run a generator that charges the battery/s the night before, plenty of cheep car/truck alternators around and run the electric bike in F5.

No rule says that you can't use your F5 legal motor to store energy for later use on the track.

And if you can't get away with that then copy the Diesel Electric trains and run the bike Petrol/Electric with a battery. Batterys on buckets must be allowed as you see plenty of them.

Another possibility is to use the electric motor as a break entering the corners by storing energy in a big capacitor which can then be dumped back into the motor on the next straight giving the bike a super burst of acceleration.

Or you could use the braking effect of the electric motor to spin up a flywheel. The flywheels inertial energy is then used to catapult the bike down the next straight.

God what fun electric bikes could be.

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**Buckets4Me** · 15th January 2010, 17:57

Originally Posted by bogan

yeh but with electric bikes being a touchy subject for some it wouldn't surprise me if somebody complained, regardless of what position I would finish

as bucket racer said do it
it costs money to complain so unless you are winning or making an ass of yourself
you should be fine
also I want to see how this goes (I think it has potential)

**NSR143** · 15th January 2010, 18:53

Originally Posted by bogan

yeh but with electric bikes being a touchy subject for some it wouldn't surprise me if somebody complained, regardless of what position I would finish

you can come and race with us, we'd give you a place on the grid until you/we figured out how to place you in the rules(suplimental or otherwise) might end up you could have 2 x 9V batteries, one for your tongue and one for the bike. but seriously we'd be happy to see you at the Hastings track any time.

**ajturbo** · 15th January 2010, 18:55

Originally Posted by speedpro

Forget the rules, just turn up, it's bucket racing. Unless it's a blatant cheating attempt to win nobody is going to care.

yeah... no one has noticed my turbo charged 2stroke yet.....

**Yow Ling** · 15th January 2010, 18:56

Originally Posted by Buckets4Me

All engines must be normally aspirated except F4 4 stroke engines of less than 100cc capacity, which may be turbo or supercharged.

That part of the rules should kill it.

I think in time they may be forced upon us but it is very hard to compare like for like, how do you control the power limit, current limited? maybe a 50amp fuse in line with the motor, that would be the equivelent of putting a rod through the cases.

I dont think we have too much to worry about really, guys with total loss ignitions can barley make it through a meet, these things are total loss everything.

**bogan** · 15th January 2010, 20:22

Originally Posted by NSR143

you can come and race with us, we'd give you a place on the grid until you/we figured out how to place you in the rules(suplimental or otherwise) might end up you could have 2 x 9V batteries, one for your tongue and one for the bike. but seriously we'd be happy to see you at the Hastings track any time.

choice, I may hold you to that! Most of the track/safety rules seem pretty straightforward, can get heaps of nylon to put on axels etc, no fluids to worry about, I'll assume theres no upper weight limit! and no issues with running a KR1 frame (had a 250cc two stroke in it). Will do all the wiring to comply with the standards they used in the TTXGP.