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    NZSBK? Abort! Abort!

    CLUNK! And along with the forks, the penny drops…….

    I’m at the entry to turn 1 at Ruapuna, Friday unofficial practice, first session, start of lap 2……and the forks have just slammed to the bottom of their travel. I’ve just toured through the first lap, re-acquainting myself with the circuit after the prior weekend’s Lady Wigram event. I’ve only just started to wick it up a lil’ bit but am nowhere near even my race pace. Just as I’m telling myself to let go of the front brake the front tyre as chirped across a coupla bumps and I’m down.

    The weekend before I had some real problems with the bike seeming to suffer major changes in front suspension action in the course of just a couple of races. From having 25mm of front static sag prior to leaving home it had blown out to 35mm after race 2, with my fork travel indicator going from 20mm spare travel to absolutely nothing. I wound on all the pre-load I had left (3 turns) and added 3 more clicks of compression damping for race 3 and it felt much better and at least stayed consistent.

    I arranged with Ray Clee to bring some heavier WP springs for the following weekend. I was just going to do one session before changing them to give me something to compare the change to. I’d also decided the bike was too low, feeling cumbersome and slow to turn so went to raise it up a tad, no problem at the rear but the triple clamp pinch bolts were extremely tight, and I struggled to get leverage on ‘em with the fairings etc in place. I finally managed to loosen ‘em off, but the clip-on pinch bolts are a lil’ awkward as well so I just nipped everything back up, afraid I’d run out of time and miss the session.

    Soon enough I’m hearing the dreaded “CLUNK!” as the forks bottom out and I’m executing a tumbling routine worthy of the Olympics…….along with the bike which slides, catches the edge of the grass, flips, and slams into the deck upside down. The entry to Turn 1 isn’t a slow place to crash.

    So almost before I’ve come to a halt I’ve realized the only change I made was to loosen off the pinch bolts, and I recalled being at an Ohlins /Peter Goddard seminar where Robert Taylor and Peter Goddard mentioned how critical it was not to over tighten the pinch bolts as it could bind up the piston/bush. I hadn’t touched that area of the bike since I picked it up late last year, but that’s neither here nor there, ultimately the responsibility for bike prep lies with me.

    So, the bike is pretty much trashed, with both front and rear subframes smashed, tank munted, most of fairings obliterated, damaged frame, along with sundry smaller bits and bobs. Which pretty much brings my NZSBK campaign to a grinding halt before it’s even started. I’ve already got a lead on a fair amount of those parts but getting them here from the State’s is the tricky part, with such large boxes……..just waiting on a call back regards shipping.

    So while I’m full of “if’s, but’s and maybe’s” over the whole abortion I’m also well aware I could have been the shattered wreck and the bike could have got off with just a few bumps and bruises. The only thing that really grinds my gears is I’ve been riding so conservatively at the trackdays and Lady Wigram event leading up to this, not wanting to jeopardise this series, and I still haven’t hit the “GO!” button on the (not so) new bike, which I was so looking forward to.

    But such is life. A dear old friend who was basically our surrogate Mum while we were in Oz for many years, passed away last week. At 73 Sylvia nursed an angry/frustrated husband through a series of strokes, then battled cancer on her own, enduring injections into her bloody eye, chemo etc etc. Compared to what she went through this is small beans.

    If things fall into place then I might enter the Superbike class at Manfeild, failing that be prepared to see an extremely ugly GSXR "Superlight" streetfighter in Clubman’s.

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    Hang on, so the top caps came undone or the whole forks slid up through the clamps?

    Either way, fucken scary experience mate, I hope you're OK.

    And you're right, in the scheme of things it means shit. Still a hard pill to swallow.
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    That's tough Spud, I know how keen you were to do this thing. G.

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    Bugger bad news SP, Try contacting Kiwi Shipping They can ship kit here bloody cheap, ya just have to get it to them. They ship into Auckland and Tauranga.
    Ive been/going through the whole locating parts from around the world thing for the R1, a very time consuming and costly excersise!
    Anyway better the bike gets trashed than you do mate

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    Quote Originally Posted by White trash View Post
    Hang on, so the top caps came undone or the whole forks slid up through the clamps?

    Either way, fucken scary experience mate, I hope you're OK.

    And you're right, in the scheme of things it means shit. Still a hard pill to swallow.
    No, I reckon the bottom triple clamp was done up too tight and binding up the fork internals, adding a shitload of damping. By loosening off the pinch bolts I've removed that damping. The first semi-serious brake application and the forks have bottomed out big time. Pulling the forks apart afterwards found it only had 9.0N springs fitted, stock are 9.7N so it's just a bad situation allround. I just didn't get/make enough time on the bike to highlight the problem earlier.

    I'll be sending the forks up to Ray to give 'em a once over just to confirm they're ok, but he's already changed the springs and had a "calibrated" feel of them. They feel ok, just very very soft, which wasn't how they previously felt when fitted to the bike.

    I got off pretty lightly, a bit banged up and a wrenched hip joint, but coulda been a lot worse.

    Yup, already fired off an email to Steve Curle at Kiwi Shipping, he's helped us out with a car in the past and am just waitng to hear back.

    Thanks for kind wishes.

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    Jeez Spud, wondered why your name was missing from the results. That really sucks.
    There are plenty of us that know just how you feel bro .... all the work, late nights, money, travel, the hype, the excitment ...... all blown in a split second.
    And yeah .... a fukin scary place to bin as well. Thankfully you're not banged up too bad, and at least you can get the bike fixed and sorted.

    Comparing your bad luck to that of a real life tragedy does bring it into focus though .... but shit that's a depressing way to look at it.

    Just get the fucker fixed and fulfill your goal of doing the Nationals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowpoke View Post
    prepared to see an extremely ugly GSXR .
    If you do...I will make you a honorary member of Poo's Team Racing [PTR for short], for sponsorship I'll get you a Doz tui's and a kilo of steak [cheap shit]

    Glad your okay Dude...and not giving up!!
    Sounds like there wasn't enough rebound on your front forks and a bit lite on springs?...like they were pumping down??
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    "BUGGAR" Saw your bike on coming back into the pits.....not pretty.
    Didnt even get a chance to come and say hi.
    Turn 1 is a very un-forgiving corner...........nealy totalled the 675 there early last year.
    Hope you manage to fix it up bud.

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    sorry slowpoke Im not up to speed on your bike --are you on a 600 or a thou? are the parts you need interchangeable??
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    Feel for you man,would've blinged you but I gotta 'spread it around more"....
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    Thanks peoples! Had some amazing offers of help over the last few days, it's blown me away. For all it's faults KB is an amazing community.

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    Sorry to hear about your troubles, glad you're ok though. Not wanting to close the gate after the horse has bolted, but 200/300 bucks will get you a torque wrench. I'm presuming you don't have access to one, excuse me if I'm out of line. You'll have it for the rest of your life and there'll never be any questoin about tightening anything on any bike. In my experience as an engineer, so many people (trades also) over thighten the hell out things. Which ultimately puts fastners beyond their 'yeild' points, and consequently give less clamping power. Or something else bad, as in your case.

    The only other people I know personally with a torque wrench are a couple of mates (also engineers). I think some shops have them but (sometimes) don't use them, as I found out when I broke a socket trying to remove the sump plug from the Trumpy! After it's first service. 25Nm the book says. I reckon they had a spotty kid on a 6 foot bar tightening that f*cker!!

    Anyway I'm sure you know of them. Just saying that after ten or so years of use, $300 won't look like very much.

    Best of luck to ya anyway, MK
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    Quote Originally Posted by manxkiwi View Post
    Sorry to hear about your troubles, glad you're ok though. Not wanting to close the gate after the horse has bolted, but 200/300 bucks will get you a torque wrench. I'm presuming you don't have access to one, excuse me if I'm out of line. You'll have it for the rest of your life and there'll never be any questoin about tightening anything on any bike. In my experience as an engineer, so many people (trades also) over thighten the hell out things. Which ultimately puts fastners beyond their 'yeild' points, and consequently give less clamping power. Or something else bad, as in your case.

    The only other people I know personally with a torque wrench are a couple of mates (also engineers). I think some shops have them but (sometimes) don't use them, as I found out when I broke a socket trying to remove the sump plug from the Trumpy! After it's first service. 25Nm the book says. I reckon they had a spotty kid on a 6 foot bar tightening that f*cker!!

    Anyway I'm sure you know of them. Just saying that after ten or so years of use, $300 won't look like very much.

    Best of luck to ya anyway, MK
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    I find it ironic that the incredibly rude personal comments about Les were made by someone bearing an astonishing resemblance to a Monica Lewinsky dress accessory.

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    All was good until I realised that having 105kg of man sliding into my rear was a tad uncomfortable after a while

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pussy View Post
    Top advice!
    I have three torque wrenches in my shed (1/2",3/8" and 1/4")
    Every fastener gets tightened to the book figure
    I count as i tighten 30 , 60 , 90 ! Yep that axle nut wont come undone !
    The rest i think alloy, alloy, alloy and locktight it just in case !

    Was bummed to hear what happened Spud, i hope the hangover next day was worthy !
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinfull View Post
    I count as i tighten 30 , 60 , 90 ! Yep that axle nut wont come undone !
    The rest i think alloy, alloy, alloy and locktight it just in case !
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrincessBandit View Post
    I find it ironic that the incredibly rude personal comments about Les were made by someone bearing an astonishing resemblance to a Monica Lewinsky dress accessory.

    Quote Originally Posted by PrincessBandit View Post
    All was good until I realised that having 105kg of man sliding into my rear was a tad uncomfortable after a while

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