South Auckland Street Skills

[nzspokes]

Recommended by St. John's last time I asked. 5years ago.
Blunt scissors.
Sharp knife.
I elasticised bandage
1 non elastic bandage
1 triangle bandage.
5 large gauze.
1 roll sports tape
1 roll surgical tape
Box of plasters.
Mouth to mouth dam.
5 pairs of non latex surgical gloves.
Med and large ziplock bags.
CPR card.

Everything can be improvised but that list will make that easier.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

I was thinking more for fixing a bike. Cable ties, more tools etc.

I dont know enough about the first aid to give decent information but we do have a trained rider that comes along.

[granda]

Having recently done both 1st aid and the ASMA ( motorcycle orientated) courses. There is little we untrained can do except as stated. Secure scene. Ascertain number and severity of injuries and provide emergancy services with clear and concise details and most importantly exact location
Basic ABC first aid is all we will be able to do along with hopefully stabilising the casualties
I highly recommend those that can do an ASMA and 1st aid course. 2 weeks after i did mine i came accross a three car prang
Everyone running round like headless chooks on their phones but no one with the injured
Even had 1 of the munted cars with people inside running. I was able to contain, assess and react calmly. Lets enjoy our riding but further arm our competency by knowledge and confidence
Well put Big Dog

[eldog]

I was thinking more for fixing a bike. Cable ties, more tools etc.

I dont know enough about the first aid to give decent information but we do have a trained rider that comes along.

I was thinking of both types

fixing SOMEONE (and that might include me) - well maybe not fixing, getting under control

AND

fixing bike bike(car) or otherwise (dependant on whats wrong)

might look at taking first aid course - would help at work too

otherwise it will be the MCoy approach "He's dead Jim"

[eldog]

1st aid and the ASMA ( motorcycle orientated) courses.

you will have to give us more details/suggestions/information

in-for-ma-tion - that will be easier for you Granda since your moving down south of the bombays (have you applied for your akl day entry visa?)

[nzspokes]

Dont worry, Gremlin will be along soon to tell us what to take. Mind you he has more storage than most.

[nzspokes]

Everybody stop worring, I have fixed the tail light. Some clown had put red LED bulbs in which are for a clear lens.

Normal bulbs now fitted.

[Gremlin]

Remember that unless you're trained, you could do more damage than save. I've also attended first aid courses due to being a flag marshal, but some basics:

D Danger, This is the scene. Try to minimise any further danger (reduce if possible), traffic management, no point trying to help someone at the risk of being run over. Nor can you help someone if you're in trouble
R Response. Look for a response from the patient (assuming something more than minor)
S Send Help. The sooner they're on the way, the better. You need the location, remember to try and speak calmly on the phone... shouting and screaming don't help. Description of the incident.

More medical side
A Airways. Clear obstacles, angle head (if appropriate)
B Breathing
C Compression - CPR etc

I carry a PLB for any decent ride, small first aid kit on some bigger or specific ones. Ultimately, it depends on the incident. First on scene of a fatal I couldn't get into the car, it was half off a bank etc, so focussed on getting help, managing traffic etc. It was only when I went to the cop car to give a statement I took stock, and there's Westpac landing in the field, 2-3 ambulances, a couple of fire trucks and 8-10 cop cars that I realised it was a reasonably major one...

[eldog]

Remember that unless you're trained, you could do more damage than save. I've also attended first aid courses due to being a flag marshal, but some basics:

D Danger, This is the scene. Try to minimise any further danger (reduce if possible), traffic management, no point trying to help someone at the risk of being run over. Nor can you help someone if you're in trouble
R Response. Look for a response from the patient (assuming something more than minor)
S Send Help. The sooner they're on the way, the better. You need the location, remember to try and speak calmly on the phone... shouting and screaming don't help. Description of the incident.

More medical side
A Airways. Clear obstacles, angle head (if appropriate)
B Breathing
C Compression - CPR etc

I carry a PLB for any decent ride, small first aid kit on some bigger or specific ones. Ultimately, it depends on the incident. At a fatal I couldn't get into the car, it was half off a bank etc, so focussed on getting help, managing traffic etc. It was only when I went to the cop car to give a statement I took stock, and there's Westpac landing in the field, 2-3 ambulances, a couple of fire trucks and 8-10 cop cars that I realised it was a reasonably major one...

I am not worrying, if we know the basics then that is a good start.
Its knowing what stupid things NOT to do which can be more important - like do we really need to take helmet off?
What circumstances would make it absolutely necessary.
where to park bikes, should we leave lights on? or Hazards ?

Location - another good reason to have GPS and know how to use it. Latitude/longitude etc. Saved a mate of mine who had an accident out in the sticks.

thanks Gremlin

[eldog]

Everybody stop worring, I have fixed the tail light. Some clown had put red LED bulbs in which are for a clear lens.

Normal bulbs now fitted.

I wasn't worrying about your light, some people might have been.....

[Gremlin]

I am not worrying, if we know the basics then that is a good start.
Its knowing what stupid things NOT to do which can be more important - like do we really need to take helmet off?
What circumstances would make it absolutely necessary.
where to park bikes, should we leave lights on? or Hazards ?

Location - another good reason to have GPS and know how to use it. Latitude/longitude etc. Saved a mate of mine who had an accident out in the sticks.

thanks Gremlin

Do NOT remove the helmet off unless you have been trained in the 2 person technique. Even at the track, we do not remove helmets. A rider can remove their own helmet, you can loosen the strap, but only they remove the helmet (or medical staff) as they can obviously feel if there is an issue. Helmets also do a really good job of keeping things together in bad incidents.

You park your bike/car for maximum benefit, least risk. ie, I might park mine a short distance from the accident in curvy roads to give more warning to approaching vehicles, or in the middle of the lane just before the incident (providing there is good visibility approaching the scene), hazards if you have them. This is mainly while you're trying to secure the scene, send people both ways to warn traffic etc. The more warning people get, the better (obviously not 1km before the scene though).

Also forgot, the PLB is actually in a red bag, I often note to anyone riding with me on trips that I'm carrying it, where it is etc. In that bag is a tiny first aid kit, emergency blanket and the PLB. Then I have a green larger first aid kit that I put in for certain stuff.

[nzspokes]

Remember that unless you're trained, you could do more damage than save.

Agree. Ive not been trained so dont go there.

Hope to get some soon for work.

Good thing is to tell people if you have bad allergies.

By the way Im allergic to bees.

[eldog]

Do NOT remove the helmet off unless you have been trained in the 2 person technique. Even at the track, we do not remove helmets. A rider can remove their own helmet, you can loosen the strap, but only they remove the helmet (or medical staff) as they can obviously feel if there is an issue. Helmets also do a really good job of keeping things together in bad incidents.

You park your bike/car for maximum benefit, least risk. ie, I might park mine a short distance from the accident in curvy roads to give more warning to approaching vehicles, or in the middle of the lane just before the incident (providing there is good visibility approaching the scene), hazards if you have them. This is mainly while you're trying to secure the scene, send people both ways to warn traffic etc. The more warning people get, the better (obviously not 1km before the scene though).

Also forgot, the PLB is actually in a red bag, I often note to anyone riding with me on trips that I'm carrying it, where it is etc. In that bag is a tiny first aid kit, emergency blanket and the PLB. Then I have a green larger first aid kit that I put in for certain stuff.

Helmet - loosen strap only - simple

middle of lane - would depend, last accident I arrived at would have been a bastard, but I get the gist - visibility so arriving vehicles can see somethings up but not so that emergency vehicles cant get through

PLB - Personal Locator Beacon, hope I ant colour blind.

Would it be a good idea to have a sticky (or on the Wiki) about 'suggested' stuff to take and the type of things to think about when at an accident scene.
It shouldn't be hidden away, but just the basics like those placed here so people will read and maybe remember

[eldog]

Dont worry, Gremlin will be along soon to tell us what to take. Mind you he has more storage than most.

before I go riding again, I want to setup a bag or such like with 2 small kits, one for the bike, one for first aid.

[Gremlin]

Swamp people with too much information, and it's too confusing when you're in the thick of it. You do what you can, and stick to the core principles, expanding as you feel comfortable.

Until you've been to a few and got comfortable, most tend to panic to a degree. The first thing you need to do is start thinking. What danger am I in, how do I stop further danger/incident escalating and how do I reduce the existing danger.

Also, if a rider has gone down, and the helmet has been removed, but they're being carted off to hospital, the helmet must go with them. This helps staff, as they can examine the helmet for damage etc.

[eldog]

Swamp people with too much information, and it's too confusing when you're in the thick of it. You do what you can, and stick to the core principles, expanding as you feel comfortable.

Until you've been to a few and got comfortable, most tend to panic to a degree. The first thing you need to do is start thinking. What danger am I in, how do I stop further danger/incident escalating and how do I reduce the existing danger.

Also, if a rider has gone down, and the helmet has been removed, but they're being carted off to hospital, the helmet must go with them. This helps staff, as they can examine the helmet for damage etc.

just want basics - not information overload

took me a sec to see why they needed the helmet but that's a really good idea.