Bullshit speeding ticket from arrogant cop. Complaint

[Swoop]

Sounds like you were in front of JPs?


They never go against the prosecution. Get a real judge instead.

Stated I was the only vehicle on this bit of road....at 4pm on Lincoln road!!!!.

That is an outright lie. Much like saying Queen St was completely empty at 9pm on a Friday night.

[Patrick]

Buy a digital recorder and carry it with you when out and about.
(also handy when dealing with govt depts)
Why?
Well you were initially told you were doing 80 kph.
Then you were told the speed on the radar was 74 kph.
You can then ask in court, why the lie?
Plod discreditted, case dropped.

One can have the speed show up as 80, clear tone etc etc and the driver hit the picks because the detector went off/he saw the cop car whatever, and lock the speed as he was braking by now... locked at 74 (as an example....). Can still ticket for 80, or for 74. One has a choice.

No "lie" needed. Personally, locked is easier.

[Patrick]

Oh well today was the day;

$170 fine & $130 court costs.

The Police prosecutor spent Half an hour detailing all the training the police officer has had all the equipment the vehicle has and how it worked, produced certificates of same and records of maintenance.

He has to... it's part of the evidence....

Surprisingly he didn't mention the number of times this police officer has had disciplinary process against him (I'm told he has a few) and he even moved to seek inadmissible any evidence or comment relating to the latest disciplinary process relating to this incident that I may use.

...."alledgedly" is a word you might be looking for here. Or "hearsay....." as you were "told he has a few..."

He put the officer on the stand (who didn't take an oath but made a statement of honesty?!)

Athiests who refuse to "swear on the bible" or other religions take an oath.... some Asian folk for example.....

who recalled the event somewhat differently to me. A different part of the road a different time, different traffic conditions. He omitted to mention the severity of the attempted and aborted 'U' turn, claimed I was threatening and intimidating once stopped (I wasn't allowed to talk about what happened after I was stopped because it is subject to the complaint.......nice and fair eh!) this inter-mated I was unwilling to stop. Stated I was the only vehicle on this bit of road....at 4pm on Lincoln road!!!!.

Only one at 4pm??? TUI......

Anyway when it was my turn I was reminded what I could not talk about and that the police prosecutor would object if it was encroached on. So simply put I stated my recollection of events, speeds, traffic conditions, where it was and the police officers initial actions, basicly a totally different story to that told by the policeman that stopped me.

The two judges/magistrates

JP's

adjourned for five mins and returned. Their statement was basicly its your word against that of a highly trained police officer, the differing recollection of events mean we have to go with the police officers because we have evidence of his training and certificated equipment he used.

I cant believe a police officer can 'sit' (I stood) and give such false evidence. He couldn't look me in the face, he fidgeted and twitched in his chair constantly sniffing and fiddling with his watch. This man lied today. His body language screamed 'I'm lying' yet their was nothing I could do to prove it.

I was fully convinced it would be a his word against my word scenario and the outcome of that would be a forgone conclusion. I was totally surprised at how different sides were allowed to speak on some areas but not others, They were allowed to build a (inaccurate) picture covering the whole scenario, I wasn't allowed to talk about anything after him signalling to pull me over.

Sometimes a lawyer can be helpful.... If they raised issues after the stop, then it's fair game... you could too.....

The prosecuting sergeant led his boy well, shutting him up when he was going wrong and leading him to say the right things when he messed up. He presented as a very unsure nervous little Asian man, not the sunglass wearing, little man syndrome'd, arrogant, rude, chip on his shoulder type that pulled me over in January.

Can't "lead"..... Again, a lawyer might have been the wiser move.....

Anyway I had my day in court......................lost................... . lost a little more respect for the police

all of them?

and will live in wonder as to when this officer will stray from his code of ethics again

time will tell. Hard to get rid of dead wood sometimes......

and how long much longer the police force will support him for.

They won't......

Its been an eye opener for me and I don't regret pursuing it, its just a little shocking how the police can get away with saying what they like and the judges having to believe them.
Its cost me the prob entry fee for the HD nationals next season so will have to start saving again.

Thanks for everyone's support and encouragement over this.

Cheers

KG

Bummer. Was legal aid not an option?

[BevanPT]

Oh well today was the day;

$170 fine & $130 court costs.

Anyway I had my day in court......................lost................... . lost a little more respect for the police and will live in wonder as to when this officer will stray from his code of ethics again and how long much longer the police force will support him for.

That result really sucks. Was really hoping common sense and honesty was going to win this time.

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

I thought you were going to take witnesses along who saw what happened and could give evidence in support of yourself?

The only witness I had available was one of the people in the address who's garden he parked on and couldn't be used because this was part of the complaint against him.

Buy a digital recorder and carry it with you when out and about.
(also handy when dealing with govt depts)
Why?
Well you were initially told you were doing 80 kph.
Then you were told the speed on the radar was 74 kph.
You can then ask in court, why the lie?
Plod discreditted, case dropped.

I've been reminded about the 'use the cell phone to record the event' thing, just wish like hell I'd thought of it at the time. If it could have been used in court it would have proved so much in my defence.

Excellent idea.

A few police officers are doing this as it helps to kill the B/S complaints dead in the water.

I'm guessing a 'few' members of the public will be doing the same if they aren't already.

shit result dude.

I'm probably stating the obvious here, but doesn't the ticket have the place/time written on it? so if he says a different one...

also whats the story with the disciplinary process, you gotta go back to account your side of the story for that I'm guessing?



most cellphones will do this now too, may have to download an app though, or just bluff it at the time and he may be more reasonable.

The ticket said "Lincoln Road", its 2.4 kilometres long and the time stated was almost the same time I left work at Point Chevalier (a good few minutes away)He chose to claim it was one end when in fact it happened at the other end and me mentioning the time error didn't appear to register with them. The ticket does say approx time but I would say he was about 10-15 mins out.
The disciplinary has been taken 'in-house' I was asked by the independent police conduct authority if I would be happy for that to happen on the understanding he had breached rules and regulations and there would be corrective actions required by him.

[bogan]

The ticket said "Lincoln Road", its 2.4 kilometres long and the time stated was almost the same time I left work at Point Chevalier (a good few minutes away)He chose to claim it was one end when in fact it happened at the other end and me mentioning the time error didn't appear to register with them. The ticket does say approx time but I would say he was about 10-15 mins out.
The disciplinary has been taken 'in-house' I was asked by the independent police conduct authority if I would be happy for that to happen on the understanding he had breached rules and regulations and there would be corrective actions required by him.

That stinks that it has been taken in house yet you couldn't use that to get off the ticket. Sounds a lot like they just closed ranks, and I can see why you would lose faith in not just that cop, but the system as well.

[Rogue Rider]

1) You only have to stop
2) If asked for your licence you only have to show it eg "produce it" you do not have to hand it over to them
3) Once you have stopped and produced your licence you may leave, you dont have to wait for the ticket
4) the only way they can stop you from leaving is to arrest you - which they cannot do because you have stopped for the lights - and you have produced your licence

but seriously, what a wanker

Sounds to me he is a complete proverbial waste of space like the 80% of popo I have met policing our roads. They are a new breed of wanker, deficient in personality, respect and integrity.
NZ police are recruiting pathetically insufficient stereotypical dip sticks, who are young and educated but lack any practical communication ability. I make no apology as I base my conclusion on personal experience and credible evidence from others. It is consistent and credible to conclude that our traffic law enforcement agency is less useful and respectful as most of the criminal population in prison. Thank God they aren't armed, can you imagine what would happen then, bloody idiots...
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[Jantar]

....The ticket said "Lincoln Road", its 2.4 kilometres long and the time stated was almost the same time I left work at Point Chevalier (a good few minutes away)He chose to claim it was one end when in fact it happened at the other end and me mentioning the time error didn't appear to register with them. The ticket does say approx time but I would say he was about 10-15 mins out.....

Another good reason to have a GPS. It shows the speed the location, and the EXACT time. GPS time is internationally recognised as the world standard.

[Damantis]

A disappointing result Predictable though.
Pay it off at $5/week.
If you are still pissed, stalk him and let down two of his tyres.

[imdying]

Sortalike any Court - even a person who has been to jail 10 times never gets that mentioned anywhere until after he is found guilty for the offence he is currently appearing in Court for.

You and I both know that that is not always the case

[Swoop]

... on the understanding he had breached rules and regulations and there would be corrective actions required by him.

So he has to buy the entire station their morning smoko of donuts then?
Another wet bus ticket punishment.

[scumdog]

Sounds to me he is a complete proverbial waste of space like the 80% of popo I have met policing our roads. They are a new breed of wanker, deficient in personality, respect and integrity.
NZ police are recruiting pathetically insufficient stereotypical dip sticks, who are young and educated but lack any practical communication ability. I make no apology as I base my conclusion on personal experience and credible evidence from others. It is consistent and credible to conclude that our traffic law enforcement agency is less useful and respectful as most of the criminal population in prison. Thank God they aren't armed, can you imagine what would happen then, bloody idiots...
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Wow, sounds like you've met me....

I guess you've met every copin the country???

[caseye]

Sorry to hear that Kiwi!
It seems that those of us left,who have or had a shred of respect for our law enforncement are getting more and more prejudiced.
My own experience of our road policing types of late is 50/50 but i can't disagree with the notion that our perception of those being given expensive equipment and "training" are coming across as rude, arrogant, lying little Hitlers.
No Scummy, I haven't met you, I'd like to though just so i can say i know a good bugger who's still in the job.Ditto the others around here who have the wherewithall to post sensible and sane things.

[Gremlin]

Don't take it too hard mate, unfortunately, you were in front of JPs. You really need something concrete (not just your word vs cops word - GPS, pictures, video, audio etc) in order to beat a cop in front of JPs.

Friend fought a ticket that wasn't his in court against JPs, wrong lane on motorway, wrong colour bike, hadn't received a ticket in years (5+). Still lost. JPs went off to confer and came back basically saying, sorry, no choice.

Judge is your only shot really. They will dress down whomever they like, whenever they like, and everyone says Yes your Honour, My apologies your Honour.

[SS90]

Sortalike any Court - even a person who has been to jail 10 times never gets that mentioned anywhere until after he is found guilty for the offence he is currently appearing in Court for.

This brings up a good point.

So many times a crappy piece of society gets off charges because of due course (innocent people benefit too), and it is correct for a Police officer to receive the same treatment.

Roll back to Clint Rickards mates...... 2 ex coppers doing time for unlawful sexual contact, which was suppressed from the Jury, while at the same time up in court for historical unlawful sexual contact....... in the eyes of the law, that (could) infulence a Jury desision on the new case............

The conservative in me thinks that in cases such as this one, and the Louis Nicholls saga, perhaps certain situations (such as disciplinary action for actions taken during the ticketing incident) should be admissible (I see it as material to the case), when dealing with anyone, be they Police or civilian.

As the law stands, 5 times rapist up (again) in court, the Jury can't be told he has 5 convictions for the same thing, because it may influence their decision, because he (may) be innocent...... ok, innocent until proven guilty, and that is paramount to our justice system (by the way in Germany it is guilty till proved otherwise), but there needs to be a "special circumstances" law (such as kiddy fiddlers, rapists and so on)

I'm sorry you did not receive what you would consider justice, but that would seem it was because the system works both ways.