Bullshit speeding ticket from arrogant cop. Complaint

[TimeOut]

It should be possible to find out what speed his last ticket was written out for ( my guess is 74kph ) maybe from his ticket book

[revlikeshit]

Had a similar thing happen to me a few months back, going round a corner 50k Zone ( real dodgee road surface so cant go fast on it anyway ) indicating 50kmh or slightly less(and i know the speedo on that bike read high, had it through the traps at meremere and on gps) copper said i was doing almost 70, shows me a lock for 67kmh.

Same sorta shit, theres a 70 zone up the road from there so im pretty sure he just left the lock on from a car up the road then pinged me because the bike draws a bit more attention than youre average people mover and because he just felt like it.

First time i had ever been ticketed which pissed me off too.

[kwaka_crasher]

I'm not sure, but I believe it's illegal to record a conversation without the permission of the other party.

Only one of the parties needs to know it's being recorded. It's there to stop 3rd parties recording conversations.

[beyond]

This sort of stuff makes me real angry. There's a whole new breed of young cop coming out of training that think they are Nazis and not upholders of the law. False accusations to make up the ticket quota just sucks big time and the targetiing of motorcyclists is giving them a bad name.

Feel for ya buddy but in court we all know who the judge listens to

[Mom]

Your writing dwon everything that was said by both this arsehole of a cop and your good self is all admissable as evidence in court.
Was I you, I'd definitely be making a seperate formal complaint about this police officers missuse/handling of a marked patrol car(attempted/aborted U turn)Remind them that last time one of thier own did this 2 Motorcyclists nearly died.
In this complaint tell them everything you have outlined to us here.
Point out the attitude, the use of sunglassses "to hide behind'.
The arrogance and demeanor of this officers marks him as one of the bad guys, not somoene to be respectful of, tell them that this experience has left you COLD and with a total disregard of all Police officers at this point in time. Challenge them to restore your confidence in them and also tell them that you belong to KB and have already received many replies encouraging you to fight this with everthing that you have.
Tell them this too Kiwi Gaham.
I'm happy to contribute real money to help you hire the absolute best Solicitor/Queens Couuncil that money can buy, I;m positive there isn't another KB who wouldn't put their hand in their pocket to help out as well. Don't consider this as anything other than a desire to take the fight to the enemy on all of our behalfs, not just your own. You are not alone and many make light work of a few idiots no matter what sort of title or job description they may have.

Well thats telling him! I agree with you 100% this kind of attitude is not acceptable and needs to be stamped out. KiwiGraham is just the right kind of biker to take this back to the man and ask for a please explain too I dont have any money to contribute but I have a big mouth if that helps

I have only caught a bad cop once, attitude all the way, hindsight says I should have done something about it, didn't at the time. Maha suggested I offer up some oral insentive for him to drop the ticket when I text him to fess up to my naughtiness. I was speeding however so can not complain about the ticket really, just the attitude.

You go get him KG!!

[shafty]

Hi KiwiGraham, in 2 words "this stinks" .

Without prattling on, some thoughts:

- Take a pic of the intersection at the same time of day
- Include a pic of where the Cop tried the "U" turn
- I would say mentioning your Occupation (assumption) and your racing (assumption) could give a good background for the Judge if it gets that far (ie I get my speed on a track)
- I was pulled up in Oz (fair cop) and the Cop was holding a dictaphone towards me as he went thru the procedure - FYI
- Take a pic of the garden and business entrance
- Am assuming the Cop was zealous due to his Boss asking them to focus on Bikes
- Pity you swore, but DO understand. May be used against you to flavour things

Good luck Mate - there is no need for Cops to do this - its stupid! For you I guess it's now a matter of Principal.

Shafty

[Muppet]

You only have to stop for a max of 15 mins for the sole purpose for the cop to gain your identity. State your name and address, give him your drivers licence and away you go.

It'll piss the cop of no end tho, so only use it as a last resort.

Just remember though, if the cop thinks you're lying about who you are and you have no ID he can arrest you if he suspects you are giving a false ID; or if you're being a asshole and do the whole 'oops I have no ID you'll just have to figure out who I am" routine, he can arrest you for "Failing to Supply Alternative Means of Identification".

And by the way, if you're on a bike and you have a load of cars right behind you and you're told you were speeding, I would defend it too, knowing what I know about microwave radar. Of course I'm assuming what you are telling us is gospel and not a load of crap. If you do defend it don't bring into court the cops attitude, the JP's aren't interested, they just want to know the facts. Which of your bikes were you on the R1 or the GSX?

[mansell]

Put in a formal cvomplaint. it may not be acted on in this case but odds are if this prick contuinues to act like this he already has some, or will get some complaints. It wont happen overnight but it is our duty to report this type of harrassment every time it happens.

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

Just remember though, if the cop thinks you're lying about who you are and you have no ID he can arrest you if he suspects you are giving a false ID; or if you're being a asshole and do the whole 'oops I have no ID you'll just have to figure out who I am" routine, he can arrest you for "Failing to Supply Alternative Means of Identification".

And by the way, if you're on a bike and you have a load of cars right behind you and you're told you were speeding, I would defend it too, knowing what I know about microwave radar. Of course I'm assuming what you are telling us is gospel and not a load of crap. If you do defend it don't bring into court the cops attitude, the JP's aren't interested, they just want to know the facts. Which of your bikes were you on the R1 or the GSX?

Yep honest guv I tell you no lie. I was on the GSX; I tend to launch the R1 a little differently when the lights change
A little bird has told me this cop has a bad rep internally and externally so I'm rolling up my sleves for a fight.

I'm calling into the address he pulled onto on Wed (just incase the same people are working as last Wed (day of the ticket) to see if they will support me with their view on how he treated their property and am going to take photos of the road at the same time to show just how bloody busy it is and to do the sort of speeds he claims I was doing would be madness.

Ran to the post box today, nothing from NZ police

I'm all out of bling so thanks to all who have commented. No need for a donation fund but thanks for the offers I'll persue it as far as I can before it costs any real money.

[specter]

real sorry for what happend to ya mate, and hope you get the bastard!

dont know if this is true or not but i read somewhere that because of the smallness of a motorbike the human eye percieves the object to be traveling faster than what it really is, this is also emphasised my peoples opinions of motorcyclists being hoons

if its true can someone write up more on it as it will be very good knowledge to use when talking down angry pedestrians, cops ect.....

[MaxB]

Man that sucks.

I suspect you might have to split this 2 ways. The ticket and the bullshit behaviour may have to be dealt with as separate issues. You will need an independant witness or two for the ticket. That would add credibility to your side of things. If it is you and the cop in court they will tend to bvelieve him.

The complaint is simpler just tell the truth and give your side of things. Again a witness would come in handy. What about the people in that office? Be aware that most complaints against the police do not succeed. At least if there are enough complaints against an officer, when his mates doing the same job get none, then come performance review time maybe he's for the high jump.

[MisterD]

- Am assuming the Cop was zealous due to his Boss asking them to focus on Bikes

You what? I'm assuming he got the arse at KG's shake of the head at his aborted U-turn and decided to fuck him over.

[Pascal]

*555 him? wonder how many cops have had that done to them I'm sure you could have found something to lay a complaint regarding his driving (up on the garden perhaps?)

Yeah, I had a cop car rocket past me on Hargest Terrace, heading towards the lights. No real idea of how fast he was going, but it was enough that the wind gust was strong enough to buffet the baby's stroller. Too fast to catch a rego though, otherwise he'd have had a *555 for him. It's a very quiet, residential area with plenty of kids playing out there.

[CookMySock]

Shit like this happens all the time on KB. All the people who know exactly what to DO about it go quiet, which is why it's in rant and rave, and not the legal section.

Why not post again in the legal section, and get together and DO something instead of crying? The pigs aren't going to stop pulling stupid stunts unless the public mobilise against them. So do it.

Steve

[Toaster]

I am an ex cop and I agree. Cameras with microphones go a long way to preserve the rights of those dealt with as well as the safety and accuracy of what is done and said.... and of course can be used in evidence to support prosecutions of those who deserve all they get when they do break the law.

Far better than a "he said she said" kind of senario.


As as for this guy, if its all true.... well, what a plonker. Based on what was detailed in the 1st post he broke a fair few rules of conduct at a minimum.

Again, "safer Communities Together"..........pfft.

What a cunt. Cop cars should have the cameras in them that the Yank cruisers do, so it will be there for all to see when you write in your complaint. It's your word verses his unfortunately.