Long bike, short bike, classic bike, modern, WTF?

**FROSTY:Me** · 3rd February 2010, 12:26

Cus I'm not too klevver n stuff. Could you sidecar guys explain to me in plain english what the story is with the different types of sidecars?
What is an LCR Whats a short bike?
I hear the words but don't understand em

**White trash** · 3rd February 2010, 12:38

Bro, I know nothing but will give it a shot.

Short bike: Just like it sounds, short. Rder sits hunched over the motor. In all other countries, short bikes are F2 powered. Scrivy and Bob raced a short bike and for some reason want to have sex with it.

Long bike: Engine is mounted behind the rider, bike is obviously alot longer. LCR is a manufacturer of sidecars, both long and short although I've only ever seen Long F1 LCRs in NZ. Have a look at an LCR with its cloths off one day, pure engineering porn, promise. Scrivy and Bob to NOT want to have sex with these machines.

**scrivy** · 3rd February 2010, 13:21

Originally Posted by White trash

Bro, I know nothing but will give it a shot.

Short bike: Just like it sounds, short. Rder sits hunched over the motor. In all other countries, short bikes are F2 powered. Scrivy and Bob raced a short bike and for some reason want to have sex with it.
Short bikes can be F1 or F2. Other countries are the same as here - they do not have to be F2. Sex with a short bike is sweet!!!!
Long bike: Engine is mounted behind the rider, bike is obviously alot longer. LCR is a manufacturer of sidecars, both long and short although I've only ever seen Long F1 LCRs in NZ. Have a look at an LCR with its cloths off one day, pure engineering porn, promise. Scrivy and Bob to NOT want to have sex with these machines.

You are quite correct!!! You have to be gay to want to have sex with an LCR!!!

LCRs cost over $50,000 - $120,000. Short bikes - well, you can have mine for $18,000 - and its only 0.5 of a second slower than an LCR around Timaru!! You decide. I know what's value for money!!

**scrivy** · 3rd February 2010, 13:25

Originally Posted by White trash

Scrivy and Bob do NOT want to have sex with an LCR.

Mate, it's like this:
Would you rather have sex with a raw, blindingly fast, brutal, forgiving, powerful, out of control woman, or,

an upherself, high society, temperamental, high maintenance woman that only pretends to be better than a common skank, but costs you over 6-8 times as much to buy and also to run.........

You decide!

**sidecar bob** · 3rd February 2010, 14:04

Originally Posted by scrivy

Mate, it's like this:
Would you rather have sex with a raw, blindingly fast, brutal, forgiving, powerful, out of control woman, or,

an upherself, high society, temperamental, high maintenance woman that only pretends to be better than a common skank, but costs you over 6-8 times as much to buy and also to run.........

You decide!

Yep, A short bike is like the kind of missus you can have a hard out shag with after work, jump through the shower, hop on the bike & head down to the pub with for a bowl of wedges & a couple of brews.
Not hard work at all, & leaves you time & money for other things you may enjoy.

**scrivy** · 3rd February 2010, 14:13

Originally Posted by sidecar bob

Yep, A short bike is like the kind of missus you can have a hard out shag with after work, jump through the shower, hop on the bike & head down to the pub with for a bowl of wedges & a couple of brews.
Not hard work at all, & leaves you time & money for other things you may enjoy.

Anyone I know??

**White trash** · 3rd February 2010, 14:51

Originally Posted by scrivy

You are quite correct!!! You have to be gay to want to have sex with an LCR!!!

LCRs cost over $50,000 - $120,000. Short bikes - well, you can have mine for $18,000 - and its only 0.5 of a second slower than an LCR around Timaru!! You decide. I know what's value for money!!

18??!! Jesus, we'd need another 2 maybe 3 guys to get up to 18". Far too long for me man.....

In seriousness though, 18K might as well be 50 right now.

**scrivy** · 3rd February 2010, 15:22

Originally Posted by White trash

18??!! Jesus, we'd need another 2 maybe 3 guys to get up to 18". Far too long for me man.....

In seriousness though, 18K might as well be 50 right now.

Kids eh?!..... where does the money go.....

**jellywrestler** · 3rd February 2010, 16:38

Originally Posted by scrivy

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LCRs cost over $50,000 - $120,000. !!

hey Scrivy, apples with apples, Perry Letts LCR was on trade me for low twenties recently....
I've swung on both, and won on both, at national championship level I like both styles of bike, I've also swung on a front exit classic too and if you think moderns are fun wait till you try a front exit classic!!!. The attraction with the LCR style (long bike) for a number of people is their availability, and being "off an assembly line" as it were there's a better basis to start with in terms of set up, spare parts etc etc.
The supply of short bikes is very limited unfortunately and for someone that doesn't really know set up etc often they're not so keen on buying a one off.

**Kickaha** · 3rd February 2010, 16:45

Originally Posted by scrivy

LCRs cost over $50,000 - $120,000. Short bikes - well, you can have mine for $18,000 - and its only 0.5 of a second slower than an LCR around Timaru!! You decide. I know what's value for money!!

I think there might be more of a difference than 0.5 around Timaru, how big is the difference around the other tracks?

Short bikes = ridden by homosexuals, notice the way Scrivy and Sidecarbob cuddle up together in right hander corners

Long bikes = ridden by homophobes, they keep their distance from each other

**roadracingoldfart** · 3rd February 2010, 19:27

So in summary ........ a short bike is for good mates that have no space , and an LCR is for couples that have been married for too long and need space.

**scrivy** · 3rd February 2010, 19:47

Originally Posted by Kickaha

I think there might be more of a difference than 0.5 around Timaru, how big is the difference around the other tracks?

Date Jan 31, 2010 10:40:00 AM
Track Levels - Timaru (2.4 km)
Event NZ 2010 SuperBike Championship Round 3
Group Sidecars
ANNOUNCEMENTS
10:43 New Track Record (1:11.512) for SideCars by Stephen Bron/ DennisSimosen.

Date Jan 20, 2008 10:28:00 AM
Track Levels (2.4 km)
Event Rd 2 - Castrol Superbike MNZ RR Champs
Group TIMARU HONDA - Sidecar racing
ANNOUNCEMENTS
10:30 New Track Record (1:12.038) for Sidecars by Andy Scrivener/ Steve Bryan.

Looks like 0.5 secs to me dude! Oh, and that was 2 years ago too!! Ask Hegarty senior about the state of our rear tyre, it was on the canvas too - having done 6 races and all practices on it (Ruapuna and Timaru!)

Other tracks?? You mean ones that need to be ridden with skill or ridden with straight line speed??
Straight line speed does nothing for me personally.

Date Jan 13, 2008 3:23:00 PM
Track Ruapuna (3.44 miles)
Event Rd 1 - Castrol Superbike MNZ RR Champs
Group STREET & SPORT - Sidecar racing
Best time
1 1 Andy Scrivener/ Steve Bryan 1:43.207 Short bike $18,000
2 77 Stephen Bron/ Dennis Simonsen 1:44.106 LCR ..... ex World Champs

Once again Kick, it comes down to your perceived value for money, and reasons for racing. Some like to win, some like to compete, some like to play, some like stress relief from work, you name it, everyone has different reasons for racing.

**Kickaha** · 4th February 2010, 05:32

Originally Posted by scrivy

Looks like 0.5 secs to me dude! Oh, and that was 2 years ago too!! Ask Hegarty senior about the state of our rear tyre, it was on the canvas too - having done 6 races and all practices on it (Ruapuna and Timaru!)

Originally Posted by scrivy

Other tracks?? You mean ones that need to be ridden with skill or ridden with straight line speed??
Straight line speed does nothing for me personally

Any track requires a level of skill to win at, to say someone won the championship solely because they had better straight line speed is bullshit, but I guess it is a convenient excuse

Originally Posted by scrivy

Once again Kick, it comes down to your perceived value for money, and reasons for racing. Some like to win, some like to compete, some like to play, some like stress relief from work, you name it, everyone has different reasons for racing.

I go for the pies

**sidecar bob** · 4th February 2010, 06:27

Usual sidecar shit talk thread, & nobody actually answered the original posters question properly.
A pre '63 classic must obviously run a engine first produced prior to '63 & full size motorcycle rims with drum brakes. There are other rules, but thats it in a nutshell.
Pre '76 classic may run car type tyres & disc brakes up to a certain size. All machines must retain the front exit position (passenger emerging from in front of the sidewheel when turning left) but may have dual exit (passenger may swing behind the sidewheel)
Front exiting is very challenging, like going poos while wearing stilts, with the king of front exit being the late Brett Sproull.

**scrivy** · 4th February 2010, 06:46

Originally Posted by Kickaha

Any track requires a level of skill to win at, to say someone won the championship solely because they had better straight line speed is bullshit
I go for the pies

So with your logic, a drag strip would need truck loads of skill to twist a throttle????

I think those pies have seriously affected your brain dude.........