Highway 75 ChCh - Speed trap - Thanks and get f***ked

[awayatc]

Nothing wrong with personal responsibility.....
nothing at all,
Just that some of us are large enough to be able and willing to look after some off our fellow bikers/roadusers/human beings as well.........

[Genie]

Yes thats right...and when it happens to you.......I hope you remember your sanctimonius attitude....

ahem....steady on Mr Judgemental. I always flash my lights to on coming cars if there's a cop lurking ahead. If by chance I happen to speed (quite likely) and I get pinged then it's my own bloody fault and I'll not be jumping up and down because no-body warned me. It's the risk I take.

[AD345]

Well this thread is doing wonders for my misanthropy

[oldrider]

It is an incumbant responsility of every biker to the best of his ability, to warn other riders of dangers and hazards observed on the road. This is the purpose of the biker wave. As someone noted a wave signifies " so far as I could see the road over which you are about to ride appears safe and hazard free" . If thAt statement cannotbe conscientiously made the biker should not wave ( or return the wAve) but, instead, should indicate to the other rider a need to slow down and take especially care.

A police trap is certainly a hazard. And since a conscientious biker will warn ALL bikers to beware of a hazard, regardless of speed, no objection can justly be made by the force.

I would certainly hope and trust that no biker would fail to do all in his power to warn oncoming riders of obstructions or gravel or such which they were about to ride into, and here, likewise , regardless of speed.

If , as far as you know, there is nothing to give an oncoming rider concern, indicate this to him by a wave or nod. If not, signal him to slow down and take vigilant care.

This has been the Biker Code for over half a century, and is as valid today as ever.

True!

Those codes were established when there were only a few of us about and the roads were as bad as the bikes we rode!

As conditions and equipment improve we have to suffer the attitudes of the less dedicated, such is the price of "progress"!

[Goblin]

Well this thread is doing wonders for my misanthropy

Bugga ya! Have to drag the dictionary out...

[PrincessBandit]

So waving isn't all about being friendly then...? Here was me thinking that each time I'm waved at it was someone saying "greetings fellow rider", now I'll be looking for the hazard they've just warned me about!

[maxf]

Ah but a trap would be very illegal. Called entrapment and sufficient to strike out a prosecution. And as we are assured that our police have no quotas and are unitetested on revenue, we may conclude that where we see a police presence it must be because there is some hazard.

Yes, there is a hazard - the arraogant basterd of the oncoming bike that thinks the road is their reserved racetrack?

And as far as entrapment goes - there's no guarantee that the "speed 'trap'" will be visible anyway... try buying a radar detector and seeing where they hide; try to outfox a laser gun when the cop has discretion to NOT ping vehicles they consider to be not at risk, but sample those they do.

Best suggestion - if he wants to "play" tag with PC Plod in the world of illegal speeds, get a radar detector - better still, go to more track days?

I would deny the name of biker to any rider who wilfully thus neglected his duty to his fellow riders. Those are the weekend warriors, whose interest in motorcycling is restricted to appearance and thrills. Beneath contempt.

Les, this really saddens me. I ride daily, do about 200kms a week on average... I will "tip my hat" to other road users - always have - but I won't warn of police stop points etc unless I consider them to be either road hazard in themselves (bad positioning) or creating one (backlog). They are there to protect me as well as everyone else, and you want their help in crashes/emergencies as well - you take the good with the bad. That you don't consider me "staunch" enough for NOT condoning the kind of riding that usually ends up the the papers with the headlines implying "suicidal rider tops himself again" with or without the byline of "takes innocent(s) with him" really makes me wonder what you want for BRONZ? Certainly makes me wonder why I should bother joining, and how anti-bike elements are going to use this attitude against all bikers if BRONZ is ever seen as the national "mouthpiece"?

I'm sorry - been getting back further into touring & group rides over the last 6 months, and IMHO a lot of riders need a lot LESS encouragement to their "exhuberant" riding style (wheelies, passing on blind corners, speeding, dangerous overtaking - all with zero tolerance for error, let alone bad roads) not any justification of righteous indignation that they're being persecuted by being forced to follow the laws of the land...

Advice to the original poster - get a radar detector, and start saving for the fines anyway - the laser gun will likely still get you - then you can do your own thing and not have to care if other people condone your speeds. Might also pay to get a GPS with an overspeed warning, so you can set it to warn you **just below** the overspeed that'll give you enough demerits to put you unlicenced, given any previous "problems"... that way you'll still have one last chance (unless you want to ride unlicenced & uninsured and sod everyone else?)

Good riding, all.

[Grubber]

a cow doesn't lie in ambush to jump you on purpose..........
The brainwashing has apparently worked well on some "bikers"on this forum......speeding is naughty and bad and deserves a fine...
Bet you were the telling the teacher type.....
Next time I stop to help broken down biker or cager, I will ask about speeding/warning attitudes first , since
it appears that some of you on here are so full of yourselves that you don't need help....
or are way beyond help..... sad

Telling the teacher type??? Surely they would be the ones doing the U turn and letting cop know fast biker on his way. All grownups here now i presume, so therefore the quote below stands.

WTF happened to personal responsibility?

That's right. It's always someone elses fault, duh!

Well done young man!!!! Take a prize.

[Laxi]

Lol !

"Nobody aided me in my law breaking".

The fuckin pricks !

bling sent! though ya forgot the bit about go f**k yourselfs

OK. Well, you’re all obviously from a generation that couldn’t give two f***s for anybody but yourselves

or the generation that believes if your consisiously breaking the law then your ready to accept responsibility for it.
NOTE: there's also a law that says you cant warn people about police presence, so you're actualy bitching about people not breaking a law to aid you in breaking a law

[meteor]

Thats what bikers do...look out for each other ..Had a similar experience myself in the Waikato...guy on a Goldwing returned my wave... but 200m further down was Plod and his ray gun.

Righto... mental note... don't trust anyone who waves!

[HenryDorsetCase]

I am sure that you would not wish to argue that the police are only interested in handing out tickets.

Slightly OT, but my business partner got a ticket last week. Po po was on Harper Avenue, and hidden behind a parked car. 62 in a 50. If a genteel, middle aged, very respectable and responsible gentleman can be heard to make statements such as "just bloody revenue collection" and "what road safety imperative was served here?" then I suggest that their efforts could be better spent elsewhere. But of course the police have no quotas (so the timing at just prior to the end of the week/month) meant nothing, and are only interested in safety, hence ticketing a vehicle driven by someone who could obviously pay, and would be unlikely to unleash any fury on the pleecemin concerned. Unlike, say, getting an unregistered, unwarranted piece of crap riding on its springs and inhabited by gang members off the road in Linwood.

[HenryDorsetCase]

NOTE: there's also a law that says you cant warn people about police presence,

Please cite some authority for this proposition.

[Okey Dokey]

It isn't always obvious what other people on bikes are signalling. Waving/abusing/warning/whatever.

[HenryDorsetCase]

What we have here is a fundamental disagreement. There is no magic in speed. there just isnt. People get fixated on it because its so easily measurable and therefore easy to label. Oooooh 99 is safe but 101 is not.

What a load of crap. If I want to pootle alon g at 90, I will, if I want to go a bit quicker, I do that too. But I make my own decision about what I want to do, in the circumstances as I see them. Far out, thats what being a motorbike rider is about innit? Wild eyed loner on the last bike out of nowhere city, freedom etc? With freedom comes responsibility. Im happy to take responsibility for what I do. And did. Last time I got ticketed (122 in a 100) I stumped up didnt argue and even had a nice chat with the po po because he reminded me that I had failed to identify a road hazard. The road hazard being, obviously, the po po with a radar gun.

Get a life you bunch of sanctimonious pricks!

[Oakie]

Please cite some authority for this proposition.

It used to carry a charge something along the lines of 'behaviour likely to cause a distraction to other motorists'. Never heard of anyone being charged with it though.