now where's some dirt!
Nah I'd take wss or 125's anyday. Lately the 250's have more often than not been a yawn fest much like motogp, although yes, the odd 250 race has been great! I just can't see how you can write the class off before the first test has even concluded?Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback
Fully qualified Sifter.
Simple. I don't like 600 based racing in Moto GP!
Geriatric hoon
I was sorry to see the 250s go, but I'm looking forward to the new 600s. As someone has mentioned the cost of leasing an Aprilia was astronomical - and the spares kit was extra. Lots! Can't remember the fine detail but it was described over the PA system at Phillip Island 2008.
The new 600s are only a fraction of the cost.
KTM have built some bikes on the instructions of their CE by putting MotoX engines into pukka GP racing frames. A 250 engine in a 125 frame, and a 400 in a 250 frame. The thought is that they want to be a jump ahead when the 125s finally go too.
It won't sound the same...
Fully qualified Sifter.
I mean really...who cares about the cost? Not me. Certainly not when there's still 30 of them racing each other hard out. Cut back the telementary...and save the bucks. Because like you say...it's gonna sound like a (loud) Superbike meeting soon. GP racing is (was) the home of the 2 stroke!
Hardcore Biker
sez the guy that has a chook chaser racing on the roads on his screen
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Fully qualified Sifter.
Damn straight. Beaten many so called 'names' on 250GP bikes on one in my time too! BUT...unilke a lot of people here...I've also ridden/raced an RS250 GP bike as well. Hence my love of them
Forum whore
watch it......ahaha
wheelie king
Theres nothing stopping a wildcard running TigCraft have on there website that you can buy a Moto2 Spec chassis from them and you could most likely Hire a Engine from Dorna for the meeting or buy it.
Plus have you watched the video's of them none of them sound like superbikes at all even running 600 engines from production bikes they are all tuningthem with open pipes they sound amazing on video bet they sound even better in real life!
Times have changed I love 125 GP but also love new ideas for racing
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Forum whore
Is the ex CEO of MNZ working for them?
Royal Enfield user
A couple of points
up
Not many manufacturers are producing 250 2 strokes anymore , Costs have gone have gone up and Motogp was always about prototypes
I think this is a good thing, For a company it focuses development relative to product line , what wins on Sunday etc.
Gp racing has never been about 2 strokes , ( as much as I love them) I do think though that a one engine supplier ( am I right in this ?) isnt a good way to go , They could have ad power restrictions or longevity restrictions imposed but allowed differing manufaturers to produce the engines ie interpret the rules , ( eg limited to 140 bhp and must last 5 races , but allow internal mod ala yamahas crossplain crank )
but at the end of the day I think the racing will be close and I feel the costs will attract a lot of teams that are sitting on the fence at the moment such as Kenny Roberts team ( arent they interested ?)
Stephen
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I thought the super bikes and supersport was all about homologation and sales ?
And that the GP was about the absolute pinnacle of handmade prototype everything. 125cc v4 2 strokes with nine gears. That shit is fuckin cool.
The astronomical cost of bike leasing is only a number set by some fuck in a suit, I would put money on the actual cost of running a bike being well less than a cool million euro.
now where's some dirt!
And you know that how? When you have a production of a total of 4 bikes, the cost per bike is pretty high. I am pretty sure that the 1 million euro cost wouldn't even cover the ongoing engineering and development costs for the bike. Then on top of that you add up travel expenses for 15 guys to each round, along with crash damage etc, it pretty quickly gets very expensive!
Curmudgeon
The Technical Director is Mike Webb.
wheelie king
I think he ment for superbike planet on Julian Ryders comments
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Rider Coach
Well, expencive is a bit of a relative term...
Yes, to the average Kiwi a Million Euro is quite a bit...
BUT we are talking second in line to the PREMIER Class on two wheels here!
Seen the budget of Ferrari? In fact, have a look to see that it costs to run a GP2 car, and the F3 as well....
To put it all into perspective, back in the 90's Castrol Honda was sponsored 4 million for the year... Yep, a bit of money that....
Same year, Castrol GAVE Williams Honda $6 Million to put their stickers on the end fences of the rear wing.....
Now, almost everybody on here would remember the Castrol RC45 when they saw it, and even remember who rode it, BUT I bet not many even knew Williams run Castrol products in their car, let alone ever saw the stickers!
Point is, MotoGP Is the Premier class of motorcycling, and once again, as far as publicity and sponsorship dollar from the big corporations goes... Well, we get a little ripped off... Well, not so much ripped off, just not willing to provide the sponsorship.
As said, the leasing cost of the bike is just a number that the manufacturer says........ No real reflection on the true cost, or value....
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