Assaults on police and the penalty thereof

[BoristheBiter]

>>So the answer to violence is more violence.<<

Yes.
Orwell may or may not have said: People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
Regardless of who uttered it - they didn't have to deal with 'P' rage, Youth alcoholism and the current set of assault circumstances.

It's not 1965 any more, Dorothy.

yep i agree if someone has a stick, get a bigger stick.

[Murray]

And what about harsher sentences for police assaulting citizens

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times...h-woman-player

The whole contry is going mad!!!

[BoristheBiter]

And what about harsher sentences for police assaulting citizens

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times...h-woman-player

The whole contry is going mad!!!

there allready is.
the contry went mad when they voted in labour for so long, now see what they've done.

[Toaster]

yes, yes, yes, and yes.

For far too long assaults on anyone have been pushed into the "not that bad" file.
As it stands the highist form of assault (other than with weapons etc) is male assaults female.

It is about time that these fuckers are put away and i don't care if prison doesn't work i don't want this type of person on the streets.

the respect of other people is the main reason we have so many assaults (more than usa per capita).
Have you seen the cops show lately? its all yes sir, no sir because if they don't comply they get shot/tasered so they comply very quickly.

I think all assault should have the same penilty which should be at least 1 year prison.

I know from experience that this is not a penalty issue but the application of that penalty in sentencing. Yes both assaults on civilians and police should BOTH be dealt with more harshly. Problem is so many get a slap on the hand with a small fine or community based punishment instead of any jail time. Way too little for the victim and not enough compensation either.

Jail terms need to be more than just set as maximums, but to be applied at a rate and measure that society expects, and no longer as the rule of precident has dictated.

[BoristheBiter]

I know from experience that this is not a penalty issue but the application of that penalty in sentencing. Yes both assaults on civilians and police should BOTH be dealt with more harshly. Problem is so many get a slap on the hand with a small fine or community based punishment instead of any jail time. Way too little for the victim and not enough compensation either.

Jail terms need to be more than just set as maximums, but to be applied at a rate and measure that society expects, and no longer as the rule of precident has dictated.

The one that always has got me is how a dotty old JP still living in the 1960's can hand down a sentance with no law quals.
Yes i know this is a bit harsh on all JP's but when you see someone who has spent the night in hospital because of being bashed, have to sit through a court case and the offender getting 10 hours comunity service you see what a complete joke it all is.

[Toaster]

>>So the answer to violence is more violence.<<

Yes.
Orwell may or may not have said: People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
Regardless of who uttered it - they didn't have to deal with 'P' rage, Youth alcoholism and the current set of assault circumstances.

It's not 1965 any more, Dorothy.

Sadly this is true and inevitable. It's a very thin blue line and they perform a role many here would not wish to do. They need to tools to do the job we need them doing and the legislation and court enforced punishments to support that.

[SMOKEU]

I know from experience that this is not a penalty issue but the application of that penalty in sentencing. Yes both assaults on civilians and police should BOTH be dealt with more harshly. Problem is so many get a slap on the hand with a small fine or community based punishment instead of any jail time. Way too little for the victim and not enough compensation either.

Jail terms need to be more than just set as maximums, but to be applied at a rate and measure that society expects, and no longer as the rule of precident has dictated.

Most of the time the offender will just plead 'not guilty' and get away with it. I know how it feels.

[boman]

We really should have the death penalty in NZ.

I agree with this. Or life imprisonment should be life, without parole.

But then I could be biased.

[BoristheBiter]

I agree with this. Or lefe imprisonment should be life, without parole.

But then I could be biased.

Or just a bad speller, but your avatar does put you off

[SPman]

We lack respect, maybe this will help remind people.

Is that the same as training a dog - it doesn't respect you so you beat the shit out of it some more, so it will? Normally results in a cowed dog, that will bite you the first chance it gets.
Respect is something that is earned by your actions and is a 2 way street!

In WA there is now mandatory imprisonment for serious assaults on police and ambo's - but not on OAP's or other members of the community and this in the light of more and more dodgy policing over here......

[BoristheBiter]

Is that the same as training a dog - it doesn't respect you so you beat the shit out of it some more, so it will? Normally results in a cowed dog, that will bite you the first chance it gets.
Respect is something that is earned by your actions and is a 2 way street!

In WA there is now mandatory imprisonment for serious assaults on police and ambo's - but not on OAP's or other members of the community and this in the light of more and more dodgy policing over here......

There should be mandatory imprisonment for all serious assaults no matter who it is.
As for respect you are right but most of these wankers don't respect themselves, so will never respect anyone.

[davereid]

What a load of bollocks.

Of course police should be able to go to work without being bashed or killed.

But so should dairy owners, taxi drivers and everyone else, who actually die much more regularly than policemen.

The difference is ...

The policeman is trained
The policeman has a baton, pepper spray, a taser, often a firearm and handcuffs
The policeman will be backed up by other policemen.

Joe Citizen in his bottle store has none of that, in fact he's not allowed to have any self defence tools.

And the G'mint will conclude that the solution to murders in suburban bottle stores is to close the bottle stores.

The penalties for crime should depend on the circumstances, and the amount of violence. Not on who gets the bash.

[freedom-wedge]

What a load of bollocks.

Of course police should be able to go to work without being bashed or killed.

But so should dairy owners, taxi drivers and everyone else, who actually die much more regularly than policemen.

The difference is ...

The policeman is trained
The policeman has a baton, pepper spray, a taser, often a firearm and handcuffs
The policeman will be backed up by other policemen.

Joe Citizen in his bottle store has none of that, in fact he's not allowed to have any self defence tools.

And the G'mint will conclude that the solution to murders in suburban bottle stores is to close the bottle stores.

The penalties for crime should depend on the circumstances, and the amount of violence. Not on who gets the bash.

These points are missed by most people, well said, if you apply simple logic, the solutions are more easily brought about, we all need protection at times and it should not matter whos who,

a system way out of ballance favours its own at the expense of those it should serve thats my quote for today

keep up the good work Mr Reid

pedro

[Winston001]

What a load of bollocks.

Of course police should be able to go to work without being bashed or killed.

But so should dairy owners, taxi drivers and everyone else, who actually die much more regularly than policemen......


The penalties for crime should depend on the circumstances, and the amount of violence. Not on who gets the bash.

You overlook the fact that it is a police officer's duty to actively put himself in the way of harm. The average citizen - cabbie, shopkeeper - can rightfully run away, they aren't employed to intervene in assaults and criminal behaviour. Ambulance and firefighters also put themselves in dangerous situations to save people. Sometimes they get assaulted by angry friends of people on the scene - they should be recognised by the law for the extra risk they face.

A few years ago ambos etc were physically prevented from working on a two vehicle accident scene involving a Mongrel Mob car. The Mob guys were pissing on the bodies of the people (non-Mob) in the other car.......

[slofox]

Joe Citizen in his bottle store has none of that, in fact he's not allowed to have any self defence tools.

slofox, in his bottle store, keeps a piece of pipe behind the counter. Any little bugger pointing a knife at him will need to get past that pipe first. And fuck the consequences of self defence.