Assaults on police and the penalty thereof

**Big Dave** · 26th February 2010, 22:46

Go ahead. Make his day.

**peasea** · 26th February 2010, 23:33

Originally Posted by Big Dave

Go ahead. Make his day.

Whose? Mine or Scummy's?

**SixPackBack** · 27th February 2010, 07:12

Originally Posted by peasea

If you get one I want one too.

Then what?

Escalation?.........Yup many will see it that way, and for what? Regardless of the amount of armament available to the coppers there will always be some psycho willing to bite a coppers lip off for no apparent reason.

An argument could be forwarded that more coppers will die when carrying guns and not less. I would be willing to stake my life on that bet-that in 5 years after full and constant gun carrying [i.e every copper carrys a side arm, visible and constant], more coppers will die. [look to the USA for confirmation!]

Treating crimes against the police differently is a dangerous legal precedent, one that will end in tears. We all have risks in our daily work, the police are no different.

**chucky19** · 27th February 2010, 07:45

Originally Posted by peasea

I haven't condoned the attacker's actions. Just trying to draw awareness to the fact that gung-ho actions by individuals often end in tears, uniform or nay. I still say wading in without backup wasn't the guy's smartest move. Never said his intentions were not honourable. Honourable/smart? Where are my scales?

Smart or not, the guy was duty-bound by his occupation and a pledge he took to Queen and Country to do so, on duty or off duty.

And what would be the headlines if he stood by and watched one of the poor little darlings suffer serious injury or death?

In hindsight it turned out that trying to sort it out wasn't the best option, just like waiting for full reinforcements at Edgeware Rd wasn't the best, but they don't supply crystal balls along with the tasers.

It strikes me that 99.9% of the police haters on this site wouldn't make a cop's asshole.

Double the penalty for assaulting police - you cannot have order without fear of authority.

**Love my Bonnie** · 27th February 2010, 07:57

I live just out of Tuakau & know the copper who was bashed. He's a nice guy, its a bloody shame really.
But I have to say it was only a matter of time before something like that went down here.
Over the last year there has been a big increase around town of little gangstas (they call themselves SCG, I think it stands for Soft Cock Gang)
The roam the streets at night, intimidate locals , drink in the park & smash bottles everywhere. Lots of little fights.
We, as locals, could see trouble brewing, I'm not sure why the local coppers couldnt.
And now there are cops EVERYWHERE in Tuakau, I got stopped twice in town yesterday.

**Big Dave** · 27th February 2010, 08:14

One of the most pressing issues is in health at the moment is not publicised much - but it's Dementia care.
You know, when Grandma goes gaga. Poor old dear. The problem isn't due to the baby boomer old age 'bubble' - that will be a real crisis in 5 years.
It's the difficulty placing long term P addicts and their jellied brains into care. After enough time on the glass pipe, dribbling out of the sides of their mouth and thrashing about is about all they can do.
You also know where they send these sad cases because they qualify medically as Demented? Old Age Home Dementia Units.
The problem is before they become incontinent and dribble - they 'can' get very, very angry, very violent and completely mad.

And we give the people on the front line protecting us from these nutters a stab vest?

**red mermaid** · 27th February 2010, 08:26

Don't how you the hell you work that out with your eminent qualifications as a KB bush lawyer.

If you knew anything about the law you would know that there is already offences that are particular to certain victim groups, such as Assault on a child or a woman.

Originally Posted by SixPackBack

Escalation?.........Yup many will see it that way, and for what? Regardless of the amount of armament available to the coppers there will always be some psycho willing to bite a coppers lip off for no apparent reason.

An argument could be forwarded that more coppers will die when carrying guns and not less. I would be willing to stake my life on that bet-that in 5 years after full and constant gun carrying [i.e every copper carrys a side arm, visible and constant], more coppers will die. [look to the USA for confirmation!]
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Treating crimes against the police differently is a dangerous legal precedent, one that will end in tears. We all have risks in our daily work, the police are no different.

**SixPackBack** · 27th February 2010, 08:36

Originally Posted by red mermaid

Don't how you the hell you work that out with your eminent qualifications as a KB bush lawyer.

If you knew anything about the law you would know that there is already offences that are particular to certain victim groups, such as Assault on a child or a woman.

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.........Women and children are arguably less able to look after themselves. Using them as an example to change the law would see crimes against the coppers recieving lesser convictions and not more, after all the coppers are better equiped to look after themselves than the general public are they not?

**Dave Lobster** · 27th February 2010, 09:01

Originally Posted by SixPackBack

An argument could be forwarded that more coppers will die when carrying guns and not less. I would be willing to stake my life on that bet-that in 5 years after full and constant gun carrying [i.e every copper carrys a side arm, visible and constant], more coppers will die. [look to the USA for confirmation!]

Why use america for the example? There's plenty of other countries whose police force are all armed. Countries that aren't full of retarded gung ho vermin. Do THEY have the same problem as the america?

Originally Posted by chucky19

And what would be the headlines if he stood by and watched one of the poor little darlings suffer serious injury or death?

They would be tomorrow's chip wrappings.

Originally Posted by chucky19

Smart or not, the guy was duty-bound by his occupation and a pledge he took to Queen and Country to do so, on duty or off duty.

If you want to harp back to his basic training, he'll also have been taught the first rule of first aid. Don't become a casualty yourself.

Originally Posted by chucky19

Double the penalty for assaulting police - you cannot have order without fear of authority.

What fucking rubbish. Of course you can. What you can't have law and order without is the general population having enough respect for the force policing. We have policing by consent in this country. There aren't anywhere near enough police officers here, and there never will be, to have policing by fear of authority. And there is no need for it anyway.

**peasea** · 27th February 2010, 09:14

Originally Posted by chucky19

you cannot have order without fear of authority.

That's bollocks. I think the word you're looking for is 'respect'.

Respect is earned and no amount of legislation will change that.

**peasea** · 27th February 2010, 09:15

Originally Posted by Dave Lobster

If you want to harp back to his basic training, he'll also have been taught the first rule of first aid. Don't become a casualty yourself.

Kinda what I was trying to say, thank you.

**peasea** · 27th February 2010, 09:18

Originally Posted by SixPackBack

We all have risks in our daily work, the police are no different.[/FONT]

Although most jobs have fewer risks attached, you have to agree, but to don the uniform is accept those risks.

**Winston001** · 27th February 2010, 10:58

There is already a specific offence for assaulting a police officer. Its a done deal. The debate is whether the maximum penalty should be increased to 7 years.

The other question is whether the offence should be extended to emergency services workers like ambos.

**jahrasti** · 27th February 2010, 11:04

Originally Posted by peasea

Ya think?

I haven't condoned the attacker's actions. Just trying to draw awareness to the fact that gung-ho actions by individuals often end in tears, uniform or nay. I still say wading in without backup wasn't the guy's smartest move. Never said his intentions were not honourable. Honourable/smart? Where are my scales?

How do you know that he is gung ho? Many smaller Districts/Towns often might not have back up to help the officer. Hindsight is great and I bet the officer involved if he had known the risks would not have maybe stepped in, hey maybe he he still would have jumped in who knows.

It would take a special type of person and I don't necessarily a good person to stand by and do nothing Police or not.