Assaults on police and the penalty thereof

**SMOKEU** · 27th February 2010, 11:22

Originally Posted by Love my Bonnie

Over the last year there has been a big increase around town of little gangstas (they call themselves SCG, I think it stands for Soft Cock Gang)
The roam the streets at night, intimidate locals , drink in the park & smash bottles everywhere. Lots of little fights.
We, as locals, could see trouble brewing, I'm not sure why the local coppers couldnt.
And now there are cops EVERYWHERE in Tuakau, I got stopped twice in town yesterday.

I fucking hate hoodrats like that. Kill the the fuckers.

**chucky19** · 27th February 2010, 11:51

Originally Posted by Dave Lobster

They would be tomorrow's chip wrappings.

If you want to harp back to his basic training, he'll also have been taught the first rule of first aid. Don't become a casualty yourself.

What fucking rubbish. Of course you can. What you can't have law and order without is the general population having enough respect for the force policing. We have policing by consent in this country. There aren't anywhere near enough police officers here, and there never will be, to have policing by fear of authority. And there is no need for it anyway.

Speaking of fucking rubbish....

The media are mostly responible for forming the opinions of the 'general population'. A half arsed a cop-bashing opportunity will always trump a story about Police doing a good job.

Yes, self preservation is taught, but so is the duty to protect persons and property. Are you suggesting that no Police officer should ever enter into a situation where there is a liklihood of harm?? How the fuck was he supposed to know that a pack of 13-15 year olds would turn on him??

Respect?? I suppose you preach that 'education is the answer' and 'Justice is about revenge, not rehabilitation' too. The 'general population' thankfully isn't who the Police have to deal with in these situations. They are the shitbags who do not have, and will never have respect for anyone or anything.

It wasn't the 'general population stomping on his head. It wasn't the 'general population' biting off a lip. It wasn't the 'general poulation' that are responsible for the 29 Police killed by unlawful act.

There is a difference between order through fear of authority, and policing by fear. This thread is about the penalties of assault, over which the Police have no control. The joke sentences for assaulting Police, failing to stop, obstruction etc. erode the fear of offenders for the consequences of their actions, and therefore they have no respect for those policing the law, just like the kids at school now have no respect for the teachers because they aren't gonna get their backsides whipped.

Go try dealing with a carload of pissed, drugged and possibly armed shit kickers, and ask for respect from them, then we'll see how far your PC crap gets you.

**Usarka** · 27th February 2010, 13:45

An unprovoked assault should receive the same sentence regardless of the person being assaulted. Sure factor in whether the victim is 8ft 2in, or a kung fu master and saw it coming but getting king it from behind walking down the road should get the same sentence as someone attacking a cop, ambo or anything else.

We're all equal, except me.

Originally Posted by chucky19

Go try dealing with a carload of pissed, drugged and possibly armed shit kickers, and ask for respect from them, then we'll see how far your PC crap gets you.

Like most knee jerk reactions to making laws, the answer is societal. Extra penalties won't deter jack. I've unfortunately spent some time at court recently, and it's simply a way of life for a lot of people.

**peasea** · 27th February 2010, 20:01

Originally Posted by chucky19

Go try dealing with a carload of pissed, drugged and possibly armed shit kickers.

Um, you talking about the police or........??

**Mudfart** · 27th February 2010, 20:18

Ive seen assaults in public on members of the public. a good one was some absolutely insane dude smacking on his missus at greerton countdown. they got told to leave so he was beating on her. i would have stepped in, but im 6ft and this guy was huge. prolly bout 6,3 and 120kgs of mad raging muscle. All you could see was the muscles in his body, not an ounce of fat. he must be a heavy for one of the major gangs, or some kind of cage fighter. Then he got into his car with a baby girl in the backseat.
He stopped to abuse the 20 people who were all calling police at the same time on thier cells.
noone would take him on.
I bet an off duty cop would have.
Thats what separates cops from joe public, i reckon.
Btw, IF a cop had of taken him on, I would have helped as much as my fat ass could have, back in those days!

**Littleman** · 27th February 2010, 20:46

Originally Posted by Mudfart

Ive seen assaults in public on members of the public. a good one was some absolutely insane dude smacking on his missus at greerton countdown. they got told to leave so he was beating on her. i would have stepped in, but im 6ft and this guy was huge. prolly bout 6,3 and 120kgs of mad raging muscle. All you could see was the muscles in his body, not an ounce of fat. he must be a heavy for one of the major gangs, or some kind of cage fighter. Then he got into his car with a baby girl in the backseat.
He stopped to abuse the 20 people who were all calling police at the same time on thier cells.
noone would take him on.
I bet an off duty cop would have.
Thats what separates cops from joe public, i reckon.
Btw, IF a cop had of taken him on, I would have helped as much as my fat ass could have, back in those days!

AAaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh......... a step away from KB and into reality......

Somewhat refreshing.

**red mermaid** · 27th February 2010, 20:51

Yep, and I bet peasea would have been hiding in the toilets.

**Dave Lobster** · 28th February 2010, 05:21

Originally Posted by red mermaid

Yep, and I bet peasea would have been hiding in the toilets.

Our Countdown doesn't have toilets

**scracha** · 28th February 2010, 06:29

Originally Posted by slofox

Should the penalty for an assault on a police officer be more than for an assault on any other member of the public?

Yep...no question. Attack someone in cop/ambo/fireman* uniform and you should get the maximum possible sentence for that offence. Emergency services peeps must be able to do their job without the constant fear from the scum of society.

Except traffic wardens

**peasea** · 28th February 2010, 06:53

Originally Posted by red mermaid

Yep, and I bet peasea would have been hiding in the toilets.

Hell no, I never shop at Countdown.

**SixPackBack** · 28th February 2010, 08:50

Originally Posted by scracha

Yep...no question. Attack someone in cop/ambo/fireman* uniform and you should get the maximum possible sentence for that offence. Emergency services peeps must be able to do their job without the constant fear from the scum of society.

Except traffic wardens

...........And the Ginga prick and his dodgy Hazzard county mates.

**Usarka** · 28th February 2010, 09:06

Originally Posted by scracha

Yep...no question. Attack someone in cop/ambo/fireman* uniform and you should get the maximum possible sentence for that offence. Emergency services peeps must be able to do their job without the constant fear from the scum of society.

I agree, but so should all unprovoked serious assaults.

Petrol station employees should also be able to go about their job without fear from the public.

**Mudfart** · 28th February 2010, 12:17

Originally Posted by Usarka

I agree, but so should all unprovoked serious assaults.

Petrol station employees should also be able to go about their job without fear from the public.

this is true, hopefully the one good thing to come out of the govt taking MORE money off me, is that harsher sentences will kick in.
God only knows what some high court judges are thinking half the time.
The 3 strikes your out starts soon. I mean you drive drunk at age 40, been doin it your whole life, smash into a car, kill someone, and get 2 yrs loss license, 3 yrs manslaughter, with 2 yrs already served on home detention? The person would only serve 3-4months in prison? ARE U KIDDING??!!!!!

**scumdog** · 28th February 2010, 15:00

Originally Posted by SixPackBack

Escalation?.........Yup many will see it that way, and for what? Regardless of the amount of armament available to the coppers there will always be some psycho willing to bite a coppers lip off for no apparent reason.

An argument could be forwarded that more coppers will die when carrying guns and not less. I would be willing to stake my life on that bet-that in 5 years after full and constant gun carrying [i.e every copper carrys a side arm, visible and constant], more coppers will die. [look to the USA for confirmation!]

Treating crimes against the police differently is a dangerous legal precedent, one that will end in tears. We all have risks in our daily work, the police are no different.

The one difference being the freedom to carry a pistol that the Yanks have and we do not, ergo slightly less pistls being carried.

And If I get shot dead who's to worry? - not me....