Paeroa safety?

[scrivy]

maybe they do it so theres a heap of passing.

What? You mean wind?? It's all those kens you drink dude, bloats ya!!!

[Conquiztador]

When I raced it last year on the straight there was a few guys leaning right out trying to pass me a beer, a beer in the head at 180 kmph (motard) would kinda hurt me, as well as them.
I didnt like it to much

We need signs on the fence saying: "DO NOT FEED THE RACERS"

[avgas]

Maybe a different story if a spectator was get taken out, possibly the event be would then be shut down pending a full enquirey?

Bah humbug to that. You paid to enter and watch motorbike racing. Its not like going to McDonalds, ordering a big-mac and then having a motorbike hit you at the counter.

[scrivy]

Bah humbug to that. You paid to enter and watch motorbike racing. Its not like going to McDonalds, ordering a big-mac and then having a motorbike hit you at the counter.

Fully agree with you!! However, we both know that's not what would happen if OSH were to be involved.
Yes there are signs warning of the dangers, but no one signs an indemnity either.......

[avgas]

Fully agree with you!! However, we both know that's not what would happen if OSH were to be involved.
Yes there are signs warning of the dangers, but no one signs an indemnity either.......

No need to. OSH states you only have to address Hazards to people on-site. As long as those signs state that you are essentially in an area where all objects cause harm, or have potential to cause harm. You are covered.
Otherwise we would have to sign forms for everything in our life. The indemnity form is if YOU are performing an act that could cause yourself harm (e.g. I plan to stick a fork in the signposted power-sockets, and I can not sue the building owner if I die).
I imagine the riders sign indemnity forms - but correct me if I am wrong.

[scrivy]

No need to. OSH states you only have to address Hazards to people on-site. As long as those signs state that you are essentially in an area where all objects cause harm, or have potential to cause harm. You are covered.

What I am saying though, is if an untrained marshall failed to notify of an impending hazard to a rider, and a rider had to take evasive action to avoid said obstacle, and inadvertantly went into spectators. Would the club then be liable for not adequately taking all reasonable steps to ensure all possible situations had been thouroughly thought through? I'm beginning to pack my undies for clubs and organisers as things stand.....

[Toot Toot]

Yes scrivy, in the outstanding circumstances you point out then the club and/or the president would most likely be fined or in extreme cases, jailed, for negligence causing death. Only due to the untrained marshall being utuilised. This is reasonably common in workplace accidents causing death where the owners have shown to have failed to take all REASONABLE steps to reduce hazzards. A signed disclaimer means fuck all if the employer/organiser is found to have been negligent leading directly to an accident causing death.

[scrivy]

Training flaggies should be a high priority then!
Willy on his sidecar got hit on the helmet by a flaggie looking the wrong way at Wanganui, and I very nearly wore a flag at the kink on the back straight at Paeroa.

[jellywrestler]

I plan to stick a fork in the signposted power-sockets.

Scrivy will help you here, he has plastic ones for sale

[avgas]

What I am saying though, is if an untrained marshall failed to notify of an impending hazard to a rider, and a rider had to take evasive action to avoid said obstacle, and inadvertantly went into spectators. Would the club then be liable for not adequately taking all reasonable steps to ensure all possible situations had been thouroughly thought through? I'm beginning to pack my undies for clubs and organisers as things stand.....

Er not if you sign a disclaimer stating that you are racing in a hazardous environment etc. However there is the weak point that say a flag marshall trips falls backwards and hits a spectator - these and similar situations are outside the norm.
But a flag hitting a racer would be investigated internally regardless - OSH only comes into play if its outside agreed set ranges previous declared in disclaimers. e.g. If I am racing on the track, and I signed a disclaimer stating all racing issues causing death are not fault of the club. However if someone parks a forklift in the track......well that is not due diligence is it. It is outside the set parameters required to be taken.

[avgas]

Training flaggies should be a high priority then!
Willy on his sidecar got hit on the helmet by a flaggie looking the wrong way at Wanganui, and I very nearly wore a flag at the kink on the back straight at Paeroa.

It sounds like a placement problem more than anything. No one should be sticking anything near the riders path.
This is covered under OSH as potential to cause harm outside agreed parameters.

[scrivy]

Er not if you sign a disclaimer stating that you are racing in a hazardous environment etc.

Sorry avgas, I meant if the rider was then to go on and hit spectators due to an inaction on behalf of a marshall.....

[scrivy]

Scrivy will help you here, he has plastic ones for sale

Spyda, you're a sparky. Don't you know you cant get an electric shock from plastic ones........ believe me I've tried.....

[Toot Toot]

Er not if you sign a disclaimer stating that you are racing in a hazardous environment etc. However there is the weak point that say a flag marshall trips falls backwards and hits a spectator - these and similar situations are outside the norm.
But a flag hitting a racer would be investigated internally regardless - OSH only comes into play if its outside agreed set ranges previous declared in disclaimers. e.g. If I am racing on the track, and I signed a disclaimer stating all racing issues causing death are not fault of the club. However if someone parks a forklift in the track......well that is not due diligence is it. It is outside the set parameters required to be taken.

You are assuming the flag marshalls are properly trained. Scrivvy's question was based on an untrained flaggie, so the club would be liable for not following due diligence and placing properly trained flaggies

[Tony.OK]

When I raced it last year on the straight there was a few guys leaning right out trying to pass me a beer, a beer in the head at 180 kmph (motard) would kinda hurt me, as well as them.
I didnt like it to much

Thats where ya went wrong bro...............a real chook chaser woulda grabbed the beer, popped the cap under one arm whilst backing it in to T1, then once past the apex tilted helmet up and taken a swig while apexing T2, then wheelying out and passing the bottle to the flag marshall...................shit, and I thought "I" was soft!