Sketchy wins first 600 race at Manfeild

**gixerracer** · 2nd March 2010, 19:23

they jumped the start by fuckn miles but so did half the feild so the only thing wrong is the rest of them didnt get pinged also

**Sketchy Snr** · 2nd March 2010, 19:29

Originally Posted by gixerracer

they jumped the start by fuckn miles but so did half the feild so the only thing wrong is the rest of them didnt get pinged also

If you look at Skunks 2 photos of the start how can you say they jumped by miles ?? when you can see all the bikes in comparison and how far in unison they are from there grids. Agreed picking on the 2 they have smells of something dont you think ??

**Skunk** · 2nd March 2010, 19:59

Originally Posted by gixerracer

they jumped the start by fuckn miles

But you can't see whether the lights are on or off so how can you tell they jumped? Even on Ian Dawson's video they move less than 0.1 of a second before anyone else on the front row as far as I can tell. Who's to say they're not slow off the start like a couple of oblivious ones further back in the video. Not to mention Sketchy bogs down then wheelies. Not the best way to get a good start.

Fun, Safe, Fair. *cough*

**Robert Taylor** · 2nd March 2010, 20:29

Originally Posted by gixerracer

they jumped the start by fuckn miles but so did half the feild so the only thing wrong is the rest of them didnt get pinged also

The answer is then easy, ping the whole field 20 seconds.

**SS90** · 3rd March 2010, 00:36

I simply don't recall so many jump starts, protests, championships being disputed in court etc.

I have seen 125 races put back, because of on coming rain, and "connected" 600 riders simply did not want to ride in the rain, resulting in a wet 125 race, and a dry 600 race.

Is that fair?

Even at Teratonga, there was several issues this year with completed laps during a race, and I accept that mistakes will be made (but if course, humans NEVER make mistakes eh!), but different results where applied to different classes (superbikes compared to 125's)....sorry, but if the race is scheduled to be a "race to the flag", then regardless of laps completed, the winner is the person in front when the checkered flag is waved.

However, if this mistake is made twice in one meeting (in different classes), then the same system must be applied in a mandatory fashion, not at "the will" of an official.

It does seem that the production based classes are seeing an inordinate amount of litigious actions......something like Kartsport has seen, and, to me, that is a very unattractive concept.

Silly decisions have been made by officials since the dawn of time.

If the person who imposed the penalty truly thinks that the two front runners ALONE jumped the start (and not most of the field), then YES, those two should be penalised.

However, if there is clear evidence that more riders jumped the start, then ALL the riders concerned should be penalised.

The thing that is unclear to me is....... what is the popular consensus..... did James Smith and Glenn Skarchill jump the start?, and secondly, if they did, where they alone in doing so?

The evidence that has been proffered is somewhat ambiguous, and it is impossible to make a ruling, let alone form an opinion.

I am biased in the 600 series as whom I would like to win, but, I am still of the opinion that the championship is far from decided, and going in to the final round, it will be an exciting race to watch for sure....perhaps it is better to concentrate on that, (the championship), rather than a single round, as shit as the ruling was.

Not to take Glenns race wins away from him,but there is a championship at stake here.

6.5 points separate the two front runners, and, there is a chance that at a new track like Hampton Downs, there will be several "wildcard" rides that could change the whole dynamic.

In such a scenario, the points advantage favours Cole, but let's not forget how motivated James Smith will be after such a questionable round 4 result.

What ever the result of round 5, who ever the championship winner is, he will only be satisfied if it was determined on the track, not the Lawyers desk

**Shaun** · 3rd March 2010, 10:55

Originally Posted by gixerracer

they jumped the start by fuckn miles but so did half the feild so the only thing wrong is the rest of them didnt get pinged also

Agree mate, I was watching the start obviously, and there was about 5 bikes only that did not move as the others all jumped

The Clark 0f the course needs to have his lack off (CONTROL) taken from him, this has turned into a total joke

Even the time it took to put out a red flag for Jamie's crash was a total joke, and almost enough to make me walk away from the sport and stop helping people, this was dangerous and far far to slow

**Billy** · 3rd March 2010, 11:22

It wasnt the clerk of the courses call.It was Warren New and Trevor Heaphy the MNZ stewards,The clerk of the course has NO power over them,Hence the reason I will never be clerk of the course ever again

**MSTRS:Me** · 3rd March 2010, 12:01

Originally Posted by Shaun

Even the time it took to put out a red flag for Jamie's crash was a total joke, and almost enough to make me walk away from the sport and stop helping people, this was dangerous and far far to slow

Actually, Point 4 had the WAVING MADLY yellow out immediately. They couldn't get to him without crossing the track, so radio op from point 7 attended. It takes a bit of time to get to the rider, then to determine if they are able to move and if not, to make the call to control that rider is not able to clear the track and an ambo is reqd.
Flaggies don't make the decision to red. That comes from race control. So they then tell all points to red. This is to avoid situations where an 'over-enthuastic' radio operator says the word 'red' over the airwaves before it becomes obvious that it's needed. It does seem to work quite well.
That said, if a rider went down on my point (or adjacent) and there were body parts scattered I WOULD STICK THAT RED OUT and bugger the rules...

**gixerracer** · 3rd March 2010, 19:57

no smell at all I think you are reading way to much in to it. I watched the start with my own eyes and could see the lighs it was pretty obvious sorry

Originally Posted by Sketchy Snr

If you look at Skunks 2 photos of the start how can you say they jumped by miles ?? when you can see all the bikes in comparison and how far in unison they are from there grids. Agreed picking on the 2 they have smells of something dont you think ??

**woodyracer** · 3rd March 2010, 20:13

Originally Posted by gixerracer

no smell at all I think you are reading way to much in to it. I watched the start with my own eyes and could see the lighs it was pretty obvious sorry

yeh, you could look into it for forever....the officals made the decison,they arnt obviously targeting the 2 riders, they could be but we'll never know...., you jsut have to support their decision....

**Mishy** · 3rd March 2010, 22:17

Originally Posted by gixerracer

they jumped the start by fuckn miles but so did half the feild so the only thing wrong is the rest of them didnt get pinged also

Perhaps we should just penalise EVERYONE 20 seconds and leave it at that

I got to say, having debated this issue for far too long with the Stewards on the day, that I just can't fathom how a video without start lights, and a timing system printout with no reference to WHEN the front wheel began moving can be evidence of a jumped start - and this is the only evidence that they had. There is no context to show exactly whether the start rules were breached. The wheel spindle HAS to have crossed the start grid line for it to be an illegal start. I see nothing in their evidence that could ever PROVE that.
Roll on the appeal - go Skechy !

**gixerracer** · 4th March 2010, 13:20

you ned sun speleng lesons sun

Originally Posted by Mishy

Perhaps we should just penalise EVERYONE 20 seconds and leave it at that

I got to say, having debated this issue for far too long with the Stewards on the day, that I just can't fathom how a video without start lights, and a timing system printout with no reference to WHEN the front wheel began moving can be evidence of a jumped start - and this is the only evidence that they had. There is no context to show exactly whether the start rules were breached. The wheel spindle HAS to have crossed the start grid line for it to be an illegal start. I see nothing in their evidence that could ever PROVE that.
Roll on the appeal - go Skechy !