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[Lou Girardin]

I always took it to be a ticket or warning, I never reduced the speed as a discount. Because then you cannot say under oath you checked them at the discounted speed.
What's viewed as revenue collecting are actions that seem intended for that result only, such as targeting temp speed limits when there isn't a good reason to do so. Or having a laser trap in the MT Victoria tunnel. Or issueing tickets for 11 over on an empty Desert Rd with only you and the cop on the road.
I guess the reality is that the change in Police tactics 5-6 years ago co-incided with the charges of revenue collecting.

[scumdog]

I always took it to be a ticket or warning, I never reduced the speed as a discount. Because then you cannot say under oath you checked them at the discounted speed.
What's viewed as revenue collecting are actions that seem intended for that result only, such as targeting temp speed limits when there isn't a good reason to do so. Or having a laser trap in the MT Victoria tunnel. Or issueing tickets for 11 over on an empty Desert Rd with only you and the cop on the road.
I guess the reality is that the change in Police tactics 5-6 years ago co-incided with the charges of revenue collecting.

Just do as the signs say and no problem,(it won't make your journey THAT much longer) - don't, then take your chance.

Ah well, we'll just have to differ.

I'll let you know next time I get pulled over whether I got a warning or a ticket.
Of course with cameras theres no such thing as discretion but again I'll let you know when I get my first speed camera ticket. (Yes even in a 'work' car we have to pay the camera ticket UNLESS we can prove 'urgent job' or 'pursuit' - and no, we don't have a plan that shows all the functioning cameras)

[Lou Girardin]

Well I'm damn sure that if I was in the job and got pinged, I'd be renegotiating my non-taxable benefit package.

[drummer]

Just do as the signs say and no problem,(it won't make your journey THAT much longer) - don't, then take your chance.

Ah well, we'll just have to differ.

I'll let you know next time I get pulled over whether I got a warning or a ticket.
Of course with cameras theres no such thing as discretion but again I'll let you know when I get my first speed camera ticket. (Yes even in a 'work' car we have to pay the camera ticket UNLESS we can prove 'urgent job' or 'pursuit' - and no, we don't have a plan that shows all the functioning cameras)

You miss the point entirely... police resources should be directed towards areas of most need not where the revenue is the highest and easiest to obtain. The "boy racer" who knocked over the people at East tam was at a KNOWN hotspot for illegal drag racing... If it is known... where are the police?

[drummer]

So nows the opportunity for the public (that's you guys) to demand that the government do what they have been put in power to do - and that is serve us. The staff have been asking for it for years. Let's see that it happens and doesn't end up with anyone being killed.

i agree totally... and apparently the current Labour government thinks that throwing a few mil will fix it... what a joke!

[drummer]

Stop blaming the police for organised acts of mass stupidity in others unless you are prepared to fund our own personal police baby sitter. It's a flaw in the 'system' thats there to give us the freedom we crave but is exploited by idiots.Cheers

I don't call the police ignoring a known boy racer spot that sees regular acts of stupidity a falw... I call it being under esourced and underfunded by a Government that couldn't give a monkeys about it. The same one that makes us riders pay substantually more in rego costs than drivers of cars.

[drummer]

Wrong again old chap. I asked him if he was full of shit and said that I suspected that he was. Anyway if something or somebody is full of shit then calling it / them full of shit is simple honesty.

If I called you for instance, a low life, bottom dwelling, scum sucking, inbred, six fingered banjo playing piece of shit, then you could say you had been abused.

Just for your future reference so you don't make the same silly mistake again.

yeah... you are right.

[scumdog]

You miss the point entirely... police resources should be directed towards areas of most need not where the revenue is the highest and easiest to obtain. The "boy racer" who knocked over the people at East tam was at a KNOWN hotspot for illegal drag racing... If it is known... where are the police?

IF the police HAD turned up at a 'known hot spot' two or three things would have happened;
(1) the br types would have arrived, seen the cops and gone to another spot.
(2) if the cops were hanging around the public would want to know what they were doing wasting time in a place where nothing was happening.
(3)if they arrived after the wanking ('racing') had started and dished out tickets some bleeding heart would have accused them of revenue gathering and would want to know why they couldn't be 'warned' or weaker yet, just asked to move on. (see number (1) above)

Been through all those scenarios that often those who have not arrive at a simple solution to, if these people are that clever why are THEY not running the country????

And once again, the so-called 'revenue gathering' would not occur if drivers/riders were not so stupid/lacsadasical (sp?) about their driving/riding and/or decide to ignore rules/signs etc.

[scumdog]

"Police processed 18 drink-driver in the weekend in Dunedin, most of them ynder 25 years of age with the highest being 1005mcg from a 20 year old male" from todays ODT.

Are THESE cops revenue gathering? after all most othese people were just driving along 'minding their business and doing nothing wrong when they got pulled over'
And it'll net about $8,000 at minimum.

[Lou Girardin]

"Police processed 18 drink-driver in the weekend in Dunedin, most of them ynder 25 years of age with the highest being 1005mcg from a 20 year old male" from todays ODT.

Are THESE cops revenue gathering? after all most othese people were just driving along 'minding their business and doing nothing wrong when they got pulled over'
And it'll net about $8,000 at minimum.

I don't recall anyone referring to EBA checkpoints as revenue gathering. Sure, some if the timing of these is plain stupidity, but generally they have public support.
As for the boy-racer thing, why aren't operations mounted to target these creeps? Things like blocking both ends of the road they're on after a period of surveillance to identify the main offenders and turning over all the shitboxes caught in the trap. I don't think there'll be a lot of public dismay about it, far less than some for of the speed traps I've seen. It doesn't have to be done constantly, but some short sharp shocks will have an effect.

[scumdog]

I don't recall anyone referring to EBA checkpoints as revenue gathering. Sure, some if the timing of these is plain stupidity, but generally they have public support.
As for the boy-racer thing, why aren't operations mounted to target these creeps? Things like blocking both ends of the road they're on after a period of surveillance to identify the main offenders and turning over all the shitboxes caught in the trap. I don't think there'll be a lot of public dismay about it, far less than some for of the speed traps I've seen. It doesn't have to be done constantly, but some short sharp shocks will have an effect.

I'm trying to goad a comment as to why EBA (not necessarily checkpoints) is not seen as 'infringing rights' of those that think they were doing nothing wrong when they got pulled over and picked up for EBA. (AND also why, given the amount of money collected from each person convicted, it is NOT seen as revenue gathering)
Re your other comment, see (1)(2)&(3) on my post earlier, - AND my earlier comments on txting between those at wanking ('street racing'), VERY hard to beat. (Chopper might help but generally they have 'outposts' that txt the alarm on impending police arrival.)

[Paul in NZ]

I don't call the police ignoring a known boy racer spot that sees regular acts of stupidity a falw... I call it being under esourced and underfunded by a Government that couldn't give a monkeys about it. The same one that makes us riders pay substantually more in rego costs than drivers of cars.

A known spot? Known by whom? It's the sort of shadow fact people say after the event or make up to give their news story more impact.

It's undoubtably a spot they use inside a wider area. It's also a spot a lot of other people use too..

It's a bit like saying the "Wiararapa is a know spot where motorcyclists break the law". While that is a true statement it's also a little harder stopping this behaviour than just know roughly where people are.

The boy racers have every bit as good a comms system as the police. Stop them in one place and they just go some place else... Why blame the police because they don't have the resources to stop idiots being idiots. No one does...

[T.I.E]

The police budget amounts to around 2% of Govt spending. I agree with what you are saying but the reality is that the Govt simply does not invest any more than they absolutely have to into policing. They have the money but they won't spend it on essential services like police.

only %2 in given to the police by the govt?
thats why we always see them dishes out tickets. revenue collecting?
to make up for what the govt won't give out.
got to make money somewhere.

i miss the old country police, riding around on a farm bike no helmet licence or rego on public roads. they used to pull me over tell me off almost boot my ass, smile have a catch up then tell me to piss off and never want to see me again. that was untill next week.

i had respect for them then. and i would go out of my way to help them. the community was excellent.

now its licenec fine, don't care who you are. doing there job.

they lack passion for what they do, and for the people.

its a way of life not a boring job. what happened to the police of today.

[scumdog]

only %2 in given to the police by the govt?
thats why we always see them dishes out tickets. revenue collecting?
to make up for what the govt won't give out.
got to make money somewhere.

i miss the old country police, riding around on a farm bike no helmet licence or rego on public roads. they used to pull me over tell me off almost boot my ass, smile have a catch up then tell me to piss off and never want to see me again. that was untill next week.

i had respect for them then. and i would go out of my way to help them. the community was excellent.

now its licenec fine, don't care who you are. doing there job.

they lack passion for what they do, and for the people.

its a way of life not a boring job. what happened to the police of today.

So all those 'warnings' got nowhere, never got throught to you??

I guess a couple of tickets after the first warning might have made the difference, I rest my case.

The gov't doesn't really care about YOU if you're dumb enough not to wear a helmet and split your silly skull, all they care about is the enormous amount of money it will cost to keep you alive and/or rehabilitate you back into the work (tax-paying) force. (i.e. Like the head injuries on that troublesome girl on TV last night that was involved in a dumb-arsed speed related crash that killed the driver and left her not only a a vege but a pregnant one who has now given birth to a fatherless child - how much do you think that little episode cost the country - both emotionally and financially?? - THAT'S what the Govt care about)

[drummer]

"Police processed 18 drink-driver in the weekend in Dunedin, most of them ynder 25 years of age with the highest being 1005mcg from a 20 year old male" from todays ODT.

Are THESE cops revenue gathering? after all most othese people were just driving along 'minding their business and doing nothing wrong when they got pulled over'
And it'll net about $8,000 at minimum.

No... they were not and they were doing a fine job.

perhaps the police could raid the known spots in plain clothes as they did with Beaumont Street in Auckland in the 70's.