111 system report

[Paul in NZ]

Speaking as someone that actually (yes I did used to work for a living) constructed a significant portion of the current system....

There are some remarkable technologies that could be utilised to build a stunning system without bankrupting the country...

Whats stopping this is ... Well lets just say people have their little empires and refuse to work together on anything sensible like a standardised platform across all the emergency services. And its NOT just the police... If the police say blue the fire guys say red and ambo guys want white... The CD guys are not sure and the coastguard thinks they should send up a flare...

It's a combination of volunteers wondering how the hell they could afford it and petty tyrants not wanting to loose control... Pretty much the free market model in all it's glory...

IMHO The govt needs to step in and legislate. Build a series of state of the art call centres with situation maps, mapping software, GPS vehicle location indicators, touch screens auto recording (oh you name it!)

But you just TRY and find anyone to listen to your proposal... As a commercial organisation we just would not bother any more and the police still quake in the shadow of incis...

[spudchucka]

Calling someone full of shit Spud ole boy is abuse...

Wrong again old chap. I asked him if he was full of shit and said that I suspected that he was. Anyway if something or somebody is full of shit then calling it / them full of shit is simple honesty.

If I called you for instance, a low life, bottom dwelling, scum sucking, inbred, six fingered banjo playing piece of shit, then you could say you had been abused.

Just for your future reference so you don't make the same silly mistake again.

[Biff]

I'm with you there on this one Paul. At the risk of harping on about how better things are in other countries - I spent nearly ten years working with all three primary emergency services in the UK and across Europe, working on upgrading their respective radio systems and communications centres. Almost of them have leading edge kit. I've visited one major police control centre here, and I must say I was amazed how antiquated and basic some of their command and control gear is in comparison.

If the govt is ever serious about improving the level of service provided by the emergency services here it must invest in new control room technology.

The police (Welly and Auckland to start with) are just about to embark on a procurement phase for a new radio system. But without an effective dispatch centre and (I guess, although I have no first hand experience/evidence) control room operator training then it's a case of 'fur coat no knickers'.

[jaybee180]

I've worked for the Police for thirteen years and last year transferred up to the Comms Centre in Auckland. Thinking that I would be a benefit to them with the experience I've had (I don't know about other non sworn - but there's not a lot I haven't seen, heard, or dealt with in my time). BUT I lasted 6 months before I called it quits and transferred out of there. NO ONE, BUT NO ONE, knows what it's like up there until you've had to do it. I have never been abused more, sworn at more, over worked (night shift with five call takers working on a Friday night to cover most of the north island) and underpaid and unappreciated in all of my working career.

It's a serious problem and no one is getting value for money, not the public, not the front line cops and not the employees. But don't throw dirt at the workers up there. They honestly give it their best shot but work under amazing conditions. And Marty is right (?) most of the staff there have never had to deal with the situations that they now have to face every shift. I had one guy working with me who really didn't believe that men beat up their partners!!!!

So nows the opportunity for the public (that's you guys) to demand that the government do what they have been put in power to do - and that is serve us. The staff have been asking for it for years. Let's see that it happens and doesn't end up with anyone being killed.

[spudchucka]

Good on ya Jaybee.

[Lou Girardin]

So nows the opportunity for the public (that's you guys) to demand that the government do what they have been put in power to do - and that is serve us. The staff have been asking for it for years. Let's see that it happens and doesn't end up with anyone being killed.

We have been and someone has.

[Lou Girardin]

I don't think they have any choice but to listen.
http://www.police.govt.nz/resources/...entres-review/

Rob's initial response to the report.
http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/1911.php

I hope they get the same bloke to do a review of front line police resources while they have him here.

Good old Rob, spout platitudes, set up a committee, sorry kometi, and hope it all dies down long enough for him to collect $820,000 until his contract's up.
Then again, what can you expect from the man who promoted Clint Rickards.

[scumdog]

We have been and someone has.

Who got killed??

And your signature is a lie - look at that crash involving boy-racers this weekend, a lot of speed, a lot of people involve and he didn't kill anyone!!!

[Lou Girardin]

Who got killed??

And your signature is a lie - look at that crash involving boy-racers this weekend, a lot of speed, a lot of people involve and he didn't kill anyone!!!

OK pedant, Ireana Asher may not be dead, but the odds are slim.

He couldn't have been very good at it, when he gets back on the road he can try again till he gets it right.
What puzzled me about the boy-racer crash though, if there were over 200 people gathered to watch these slack-jawed retards, didn't anyone call the cops? Or if they did, why didn't the cops close the wankers down.

[scumdog]

OK pedant, Ireana Asher may not be dead, but the odds are slim.

He couldn't have been very good at it, when he gets back on the road he can try again till he gets it right.
What puzzled me about the boy-racer crash though, if there were over 200 people gathered to watch these slack-jawed retards, didn't anyone call the cops? Or if they did, why didn't the cops close the wankers down.

Simple fact is Lou that these 'slack-jawed retards' organise (I suppose you could call it that) these gatherings at short notice via txt etc and the last thing they wanted was to be seen to be spoken to by the cops, even if it was their 'mates' lying hurt, oh yeah, they're all so 'one for all and all for one NOT!!! It's all about me me and how the world owes me a living.

The public watch too many episodes of Sopranos so THEY don't want to risk a drive-by shooting by dobbing in the twats.

Amazing how it goes "yeah man, we don't give a shit about the cops, they're all wankers...." but hoo-boy, when the cops hove into sight all you could hear was slamming doors and revving engines as our slack-jawed heros vanished into the sunset.

[drummer]

Who got killed??

And your signature is a lie - look at that crash involving boy-racers this weekend, a lot of speed, a lot of people involve and he didn't kill anyone!!!

Speed definately killed that young boy down Toke... and could have easily killed many in east Tamaki but they were lucky. However, the speeds involved were dangerous in those situations... where were the police? They knew what went on for example in East Tamaki... on the other hand I saw two police cars specifically patrolling unmanned miles of witches hats on Sate Highway one between Meremere and Huntly... and countless others on the road as well. Both police on the roadworks were doing a roaring trade. That was pure revenue collecting... whilst the previous night no police were at a known boy racer spot. OK... would the police here please explain the logic behind this apparent misuse of resources.

[scumdog]

Hooboy, a troll but okay I'll bite.

Revenue gathering huh? collecting money from people that had done NOTHING wrong but just happened to be there??

Or some people were breaking various laws but despite that there should be NO penalties let alone (Heaven forbid) a monetary one??

You got in gospel that the Police KNEW what was going on in Tamaki Drive - at THAT particular time???

The 'speeds involved were dangerous in those situations' ??? that's a lie, nobody on this site believes speed is EVER dangerous, right guys???

Yep, ya got me there squire, can't explain any of it

[Lou Girardin]

Hooboy, a troll but okay I'll bite.

Revenue gathering huh? collecting money from people that had done NOTHING wrong but just happened to be there??

Or some people were breaking various laws but despite that there should be NO penalties let alone (Heaven forbid) a monetary one??

You got in gospel that the Police KNEW what was going on in Tamaki Drive - at THAT particular time???

The 'speeds involved were dangerous in those situations' ??? that's a lie, nobody on this site believes speed is EVER dangerous, right guys???

Yep, ya got me there squire, can't explain any of it

Maybe some breaches of the law are more serious than others and require different actions in response.
I think it's called discretion.

[Paul in NZ]

Speed definately killed that young boy down Toke... and could have easily killed many in east Tamaki but they were lucky. However, the speeds involved were dangerous in those situations... where were the police? They knew what went on for example in East Tamaki... on the other hand I saw two police cars specifically patrolling unmanned miles of witches hats on Sate Highway one between Meremere and Huntly... and countless others on the road as well. Both police on the roadworks were doing a roaring trade. That was pure revenue collecting... whilst the previous night no police were at a known boy racer spot. OK... would the police here please explain the logic behind this apparent misuse of resources.

I think it is pretty obvious from certain other threads currently burning up the site that people don't have the ability to exercise discretion themselves and if left to their own resources with fuel and a method of igniting it will soon produce causualties...

Funnily enough we all (as a society) think having controls on this oh too human behaviour is generally a good idea right up until it impacts on us personally and then it's horribly unfair...

Boy racers, like certain groups of motorcyclists don't stick and advert in the paper informing all law breakers to gether at a certain sport for a bit of public tom foolery... It's a bloody lottery..

Stop blaming the police for organised acts of mass stupidity in others unless you are prepared to fund our own personal police baby sitter. It's a flaw in the 'system' thats there to give us the freedom we crave but is exploited by idiots.

Cheers

[scumdog]

Maybe some breaches of the law are more serious than others and require different actions in response.
I think it's called discretion.

I'm not talking about discretion - I'm talking about claims of 'revenue gathering' as in issuing monetary penalties for no particular reason - must be a north of North Island thing 'cos it hasn't ever happened to me yet.

(If I said :"O.K. you were doing 124kph but theres not much traffic so I'll let you off with just a 114, it's save you about $40 in cash and 15 demerits" would that be discretion?? A few would say yes but also a few would say "Ya dropped my speed 10kph, why not drop it right down to 100kph and let me off"
('Course could do that with drink-driving too "Yes sir, we'll say you blew a reading of 395 instead of 425 seeing as there was not much traffic.....")

To most discretion means "let off scot-free"

BTW Has anybody here ever really taken much notice of a 'warning' and never offended again or is a warning a kind of lucky break before the next ticket??