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**scumdog** · 18th May 2005, 12:24

Originally Posted by drummer

really? i wonder how old you are... i remember when the police and public DID have that understanding.

Old enough to remember buying Bavarian Bitter for $1.97 a half dozen when I was 20. (big bottles)

And it was more 'fear' than 'understanding' back then.

**drummer** · 18th May 2005, 12:27

Originally Posted by scumdog

Old enough to remember buying Bavarian Bitter for $1.97 a half dozen when I was 20. (big bottles)

And it was more 'fear' than 'understanding' back then.

Fair enough... about the same vintage. It may have been fear for you... but not for me... i trusted them... there was always a fear if you did something wrong... but at the same time a bit of leeway for the cop to administer his own rap... like the pushing the bike home thing...

**scumdog** · 18th May 2005, 12:38

Originally Posted by drummer

... there was always a fear if you did something wrong... but at the same time a bit of leeway for the cop to administer his own rap... like the pushing the bike home thing...

THAT is the kind of fear I was talking about, try that trick these days and there's a good chance the little toe-rag would say "make me" (and stick his toungue out so to speak)

And they don't fear their parents either - and a lot of parents think their kid is an angel that never does anything wrong -"not his fault"

I wasn't talking about the fear of getting beaten or similar.

I guess the line between fear and respect blurs a bit for you and I.

**Paul in NZ** · 18th May 2005, 12:45

Originally Posted by scumdog

Old enough to remember buying Bavarian Bitter for $1.97 a half dozen when I was 20. (big bottles)

And it was more 'fear' than 'understanding' back then.

Bavarian Bitter - HA! Memories flooding back... Those brown paper sacks in 2's, 4's and 6's eh!

Jeeze..

**Lou Girardin** · 18th May 2005, 12:55

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

Mate I can physically show you some surveillance gear that would freak you out but who can afford it and do you really want the govt putting this stuff up? Besides, unless you park a milsat over the country everything is detectable eventually.. It just can't be done on a sensible budget.

Besides.. Where would the Police get the resources to totally surround, arrest and process a group that big? The boy racers know that, thats why they do what they do in groups...

If you don't like it, perhaps you could pressure your MP to get the army to lend a hand as they do have enough resource... However we are then setting a pretty dangerous precedent..

Neh! People will always be idiots and bigger idiots in bigger groups...

Cheers

They find enough when it suits them.

**drummer** · 18th May 2005, 17:24

Originally Posted by scumdog

THAT is the kind of fear I was talking about, try that trick these days and there's a good chance the little toe-rag would say "make me" (and stick his toungue out so to speak)

And they don't fear their parents either - and a lot of parents think their kid is an angel that never does anything wrong -"not his fault"

I wasn't talking about the fear of getting beaten or similar.

I guess the line between fear and respect blurs a bit for you and I.

What you say is true regarding the lack of respect. It is a travesty (sp?) that we have let the social manipulators interfere like they have. i can understand the frustration you and your colleagues must face in dealing with young people. However, it is the law that must change and to do that we must change the lawmakers to those who believe in punishment for crime. Then we must ensure that the police have the resources to do their job as well as the training for the police to administer their power with understanding. It is only then I believe the NZ police will gain back public confidence.

**spudchucka** · 18th May 2005, 21:24

Originally Posted by drummer

It is only then I believe the NZ police will gain back public confidence.

You aren't a TV One guest on Thursday night are you?

**spudchucka** · 18th May 2005, 21:35

Originally Posted by drummer

Howabout this... establish a crack squad of "boy racer" officers. they could be established for each area.. Akl Wgtn etc.

Oh, sort of like the Highway Patrol, Strategic Traffic Units, Traffic Alcohol Units etc etc etc.

Originally Posted by drummer

As soon as the volinteers report in the police swoop... not is siren sounding squad cars but by stealth.

Happens now.

Originally Posted by drummer

unmarked cars and bikes...

Yes please, we want more!

Originally Posted by drummer

block the road and book the lot.

Book them for what exactly?

Originally Posted by drummer

If this currently can't be done... then the law must be changed and funding approved...

I've blocked heaps of roads to hem in the street racers, usually country roads though, not city streets. Even had the locals parking tractors across roads to keep the wankers from buggering off before we can get to them.

Originally Posted by drummer

but I will not hold my breath under the scum we call the current Government.

You'll have your chance soon, are you standing?

**spudchucka** · 18th May 2005, 21:38

Originally Posted by drummer

So to the police reps here... don't preach to me about road safety if you support the current regime.

You make many assumptions, most of your arguements are based on assumption and so are your political assessments of other members of this site.

**spudchucka** · 18th May 2005, 21:39

Originally Posted by drummer

Good grief.. are you saying that the police can't take all necessary steps to catch apprehenders? well if not... then the laws regarding this are an ass and need to be changed.

Heres an idea for you, research the issue so that you know the facts before spouting off.

**spudchucka** · 18th May 2005, 21:41

Originally Posted by drummer

petrol tax being put into roading... some people actually believe that...

Plus... why would the funding of police from or not from fines be relevent to the argument of revenue collecting?

Read the previous posts dumb arse, somebody suggested that ticket revenue is returned directly to the police. It isn't!

**Lou Girardin** · 19th May 2005, 10:30

We know that Spud, as we also know that fine revenue is a powerful factor in the allocation of the Police budget each year. Your bosses spare no resources in ensuring that the predicted fine revenue is achieved. An example being the increased emphasis placed on Officer issued tickets as camera revenue dropped. That emphasis being quotas, reduced speed tolerance/Officer discretion discouraged, more and better technology.

**spudchucka** · 19th May 2005, 10:35

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

We know that Spud, as we also know that fine revenue is a powerful factor in the allocation of the Police budget each year. Your bosses spare no resources in ensuring that the predicted fine revenue is achieved. An example being the increased emphasis placed on Officer issued tickets as camera revenue dropped. That emphasis being quotas, reduced speed tolerance/Officer discretion discouraged, more and better technology.

Why haven't I been sacked then? Because I write stuff all tickets and use heaps of discretion, surely I should have been sacked by now as this is clearly, (according to you) totally against the policies of my employer! Why am I able to do what you say cops can't do anymore?