Superbikes limited to superstock?

**CHOPPA** · 11th March 2010, 08:44

Originally Posted by suzuki21

The F3 class is turning into either post classic 250's, 400's or modified twins. I thought the stock racing was quite good which suprised me. Re: superbike, the public wont give a shit if bikes are doing 6's or 8's at Manfield it will still be exciting to watch. A lot of people watch NZV8's - they arent supercars but they look like it, make a noise, and have close racing.

Yup no matter how you look at it if i can save 10k+ when setting up a superbike thats gotta be good providing the playing field is level!

The best way to check it is to dyno the bikes even just the top 3 at each event. In ozzy they dyno every single superstock bike as soon as you pull off the track to see if you have significant power advantages over other bikes.

**codgyoleracer** · 11th March 2010, 08:48

Originally Posted by CHOPPA

Yup no matter how you look at it if i can save 10k+ when setting up a superbike thats gotta be good providing the playing field is level!

The best way to check it is to dyno the bikes even just the top 3 at each event. In ozzy they dyno every single superstock bike as soon as you pull off the track to see if you have significant power advantages over other bikes.

Yip & there are a couple of mobile dynos around

**slowpoke** · 11th March 2010, 10:05

Originally Posted by woodyracer

i disagree, the streetstock class is great to watch and race in, at the nats it was huge.....how do you expect superbike riders to keep coming if your not willing to give streetstock riders a fair chance?

I like your enthusiasm, but I'm not so sure about your impartiality, lol. You're in an awful rush to to start racking up some big bills with a Nat's campaign, there's plenty of time to bankrupt yourself later in lafe.

**snapoff** · 11th March 2010, 11:59

Tony Rees 108.65 farstest lap at manfeild on a superstock bike ,the 600's 108.00 ,Tony is one of the best rides out there on a good bike ,if the 600 are faster ,superstock 1000cc will be a big F up , ther is a need for superbikes,

**Billy** · 11th March 2010, 13:10

So 6 years ago when Stroudy,Brian Bernard and Tony Rees all qualified in the very high 7s and low 8s was a fuck up then?

**k14** · 11th March 2010, 13:12

Originally Posted by snapoff

Tony Rees 108.65 farstest lap at manfeild on a superstock bike ,the 600's 108.00 ,Tony is one of the best rides out there on a good bike ,if the 600 are faster ,superstock 1000cc will be a big F up , ther is a need for superbikes,

I don't think it is enough evidence to pass judgement. From what I heard, Tony had little to no prior time to test so is fairly premature to say they will be slower than 600's. From what I can tell the superstock regs are basically identical to the 600 regs, so with some time and development they should be able to do at least 1.06's at manfeild.

As for streetstock being a nationals class, absolutely agree. It is a brilliant class and the racing is awesome to watch! Maybe you could make it that only the riders best 3 or 4 rounds count. Something that could also be looked into for the bigger classes too. Have 5 rounds but only your best 4 rounds are counted. That means north island competitors only come down south for 2 weekends and south island competitors can either do all 3 SI rounds and one NI round, or two south and two north.

**Drew** · 11th March 2010, 14:22

Originally Posted by CHOPPA

Yup no matter how you look at it if i can save 10k+ when setting up a superbike thats gotta be good providing the playing field is level!

The best way to check it is to dyno the bikes even just the top 3 at each event. In ozzy they dyno every single superstock bike as soon as you pull off the track to see if you have significant power advantages over other bikes.

Originally Posted by codgyoleracer

Yip & there are a couple of mobile dynos around

Is gearing a freely allowed mod? I only ask as you can dyno my bike now with the gearing left on it pretty low and it'll read differently with nothing more than a sproket swap.

**Tony.OK** · 11th March 2010, 15:21

Originally Posted by snapoff

Tony Rees 108.65 farstest lap at manfeild on a superstock bike ,the 600's 108.00 ,Tony is one of the best rides out there on a good bike ,if the 600 are faster ,superstock 1000cc will be a big F up , ther is a need for superbikes,

Maybe to keen bikers times are important, but I'd guess that Joe public wouldn't care what the times were, especially between different classes...................its the noise and speed along with close racing that people are after.

The car racing is a good example............V8's are supposed to be the best/fastest but most open wheelers at the same meetings, and even the Porshe's are faster..................no one compares the seperate classes.

Craig can correct me if I'm wrong, but he was doing 1.07's on his Blade still in stock form (suspension excluded), and that was fantasic to watch............the man is bonkers on any bike.

**KS34** · 11th March 2010, 15:48

Originally Posted by Billy

So 6 years ago when Stroudy,Brian Bernard and Tony Rees all qualified in the very high 7s and low 8s was a fuck up then?

Good point the other point that is valid is that a 1:08 (Tony Rees) and Andrew Stroud did a 1:05.8 is only just over 2 sec difference, and Andrew was on slicks, Openstock production also helps entrants further down the field (like me) to qualify which means more will be able/likely to enter.

**Nonbeliever** · 11th March 2010, 15:50

Originally Posted by Drew

Is gearing a freely allowed mod? I only ask as you can dyno my bike now with the gearing left on it pretty low and it'll read differently with nothing more than a sproket swap.

if mr dynoman knows what he's doing this'll be accounted for.

**Nonbeliever** · 11th March 2010, 15:59

Originally Posted by Tony.OK

but I'd guess that Joe public wouldn't care what the times were, especially between different classes...................its the noise and speed along with close racing that people are after..

true, imagine a grid of 25(allmost stock) litrebikes and ther'll be some great racing, even better racing with a control tyre rule.

who cares if they're 3,4,5,6,7,8,9 etc seconds off lap record pace.Most guys just want to dice with others and have a blast.

**Drew** · 11th March 2010, 16:50

Originally Posted by Nonbeliever

if mr dynoman knows what he's doing this'll be accounted for.

Unless he does a control run on a standard version of all the bikes first, how?

**Drew** · 11th March 2010, 16:56

Originally Posted by Nonbeliever

true, imagine a grid of 25(allmost stock) litrebikes and ther'll be some great racing, even better racing with a control tyre rule.

who cares if they're 3,4,5,6,7,8,9 etc seconds off lap record pace.Most guys just want to dice with others and have a blast.

I agree that a 25 strong field would be great, but I think you'll find the results wont vary much from what they do now. Craig, Andrew, Robbie, Hayden, and Sloan will gap it, then it will be a bigger battle for what's left.

I'd love to run superstock, if I could afford a new bike it's what I'd race. For now though all I can afford is the big boys cast offs, and my results would be little better if any, were I on the same bike they are.

To put it differently, if I chucked TTX suspension front and rear on my bike, I'll wager Craig could hop on it and be pumping 6's and 7's by the end of a days testing. Qualify that with the rediculusly cheap purchase of the bike, and I see no cost advantages in superstock for the average punter.

The ex Stroud K4 on trademe for the last two years would make most peoples eye's bleed before they got it near it's limit, and it's only 12k