Superbikes limited to superstock?

[gixerracer]

never going to happen

I hope thats the rules!!! Will be much cheaper to build a bike, the championship would be much closer too

[Kevin G]

Hi.
We already have a more stock class running with superbikes and 600's this year and how many people are running in those classes, see my laps for the numbers, very low in fact only one in 600's doing the complete series and no supers. The rules require stock engines but allow the use of aftermarket suspension.
So if it is such a great thing where are all the people?

[CHOPPA]

Factories dont like those rules because it means they cant control who wins and its the factories that sponsor the series so Craig is prob right!

[CHOPPA]

No matter what the rules say the factory teams are still going to have cheating within the rules engines so it prob better to leave say 6 of those guys racing each other and everyone else can ride superstock?

[gixerracer]

my dear deer der dilluded chop I guess when you mean the factories cant control who you mean Suzuki as they are the only ones that have one in the past 600 years? If this is so dont you have andrew strouds bike from last year ? Its faster than my bike how come you are not winning if this is the case???
If the teams are all cheats then I guess you are saying that your bike is not within the current rules??? Correct

[CHOPPA]

my dear deer der dilluded chop I guess when you mean the factories cant control who you mean Suzuki as they are the only ones that have one in the past 600 years? If this is so dont you have andrew strouds bike from last year ? Its faster than my bike how come you are not winning if this is the case???
If the teams are all cheats then I guess you are saying that your bike is not within the current rules??? Correct

I was told the factories would pull out if there factory bikes had to be left standard because they need there bikes to be at the front givin the amount they put into there efforts which is fair enough, i was also told that if the bikes were made to stay standard then this would make them blue print the engines as this would be within the rules and there are several loop holes such as that, that in turn makes it even more expensive to build a standard bike fast.

My bike is down on power compared to last year, im sure it is within the rules but there will certainly be some creative thinking gone into it.

And i would be winning if i had the best bike and unlimited new tyres to practice going fast on, not suggesting anyone else has that rather just trying to get some sucker to front up with that for me to see if they can prove me wrong haha

[woodyracer]

We all love to see super fast bikes..so seeing stock ones out there would be boring...thats why they are puting motogp back up to 1000cc....theres notihng like nail-biting power

[gixerracer]

I was told the factories would pull out if there factory bikes had to be left standard because they need there bikes to be at the front givin the amount they put into there efforts which is fair enough, i was also told that if the bikes were made to stay standard then this would make them blue print the engines as this would be within the rules and there are several loop holes such as that, that in turn makes it even more expensive to build a standard bike fast.

My bike is down on power compared to last year, im sure it is within the rules but there will certainly be some creative thinking gone into it.

And i would be winning if i had the best bike and unlimited new tyres to practice going fast on, not suggesting anyone else has that rather just trying to get some sucker to front up with that for me to see if they can prove me wrong haha

Ya dont need new tyres I only had 1 for saturday and two for the races on sunday at manfeild and stroud didnt put a new one on his bike until sunday so I think your information is again wrong,isnt part of building a goo engine blue printing it anyway? I cant see your point you can win a sbk race on anything thats within 10hp or so in this country

[CHOPPA]

Ya dont need new tyres I only had 1 for saturday and two for the races on sunday at manfeild and stroud didnt put a new one on his bike until sunday so I think your information is again wrong,isnt part of building a goo engine blue printing it anyway? I cant see your point you can win a sbk race on anything thats within 10hp or so in this country

It was a bit tongue in cheek about winning the races, i was originally suggesting that it doesnt matter if the rules are made 'standard' there is still going to be bikes that are much faster standard bikes due to blueprinting etc so it doesnt really matter if the rules are changed or not.

[CHOPPA]

I need new tyres because i need to practice going faster, i know i can push hard when im on new tyres and can concentrate purely on going faster once i have found new limits my times on the old tyres pick up as well, you and stroudy prob went around at basically the same lap times as last year so you prob didnt need to practice at all

[codgyoleracer]

I like the basic stock idea thingy - however the first thing to be in place well before a championship based on this sort of spec would be to have the technical inspectors made known and from the outset and for them to be active & be able to have the power to make decisons on the day. One x inspector to oversee 600 & 1000's each.
Bottom line though in my opionion is that the same fast riders will still be at the pointy end. Overall though (in theory) i it should reduce the build costs for the average punter and may even get dealer/shop supported bikes back into the fold.
As Craig ses - if your within 10hp , then its down to your riding ability & your ability to set up the bike.

Here is the order of the bigger costs based on when i had a play on a sbk for a cuple of years and personnaly pay for everything 1) Tyres 2) Accomodation and travel & entry 3) Engine build 4) Suspension build & servicing 5) Consumables & spares.

Had no budget for a spare bike, more than one set of wheels, bodywork, tank, subrame. (I.E if it went for a big endo roll somwhere - i was packin up and goin home) The cost of the orignal bike itself was not included as it was expected to get the money back on that at the end.

Cost me $45K for six months riding inc testing etc - with nats in the middle.

Bottom line is - the stock idea wont change a lot of those primary costs. However the stock idea combined with a few other ideas might though.
Glen

[Shaun P]

Its interesting seeing the results of the aussies at PI SBK that are now on a lower spec dunlop control tyre(than ntec) the fast riders are still fast but a couple of seconds slower than last year and some of the superstock runners from last year are doing well in supersport because they are more used to the dot spec tyres.
Also another way to inadvertenly restrict HP due to the limits of the tyre
It probably is the way forward to increase numbers but that will happen over time not instantly

Hey Sloan maybe the only way to settle your argument would be to challenge gixerracer to a lap shootout on the same bike..

[gixerracer]

Haha yea i would be keen on that i have been 105.5 at manfeild on the same bike as sloans current bike and i have only done 105.8 on my honda just last weekend. I will take that offer as long as mr ohlins is present and i can change the bike to suit me

its interesting seeing the results of the aussies at pi sbk that are now on a lower spec dunlop control tyre(than ntec) the fast riders are still fast but a couple of seconds slower than last year and some of the superstock runners from last year are doing well in supersport because they are more used to the dot spec tyres.
Also another way to inadvertenly restrict hp due to the limits of the tyre
it probably is the way forward to increase numbers but that will happen over time not instantly

hey sloan maybe the only way to settle your argument would be to challenge gixerracer to a lap shootout on the same bike..

[Shaun P]

Haha yea i would be keen on that i have been 105.5 at manfeild on the same bike as sloans current bike and i have only done 105.8 on my honda just last weekend. I will take that offer as long as mr ohlins is present and i can change the bike to suit me

Sweet make it happen haha

[CHOPPA]

Hey Sloan maybe the only way to settle your argument would be to challenge gixerracer to a lap shootout on the same bike..

I would put my money on Craig as well but it would be interesting to see the top say 8 riders of the championship jump on a standard maybe R1 or ZX10 so its diff for everyone and give us 10 laps each to get some lap times. Would be an expensive exercise hahaha