New Yellow Flag Rules?

**CHOPPA** · 25th February 2010, 06:42

Stationary yellow.

theres a crash or something well off the track though keep racing at 99%, you can pass lapped riders but not for position

Waved yellow.

theres a crash or something and its very close to the track or on it, no passing at all should be a red flag soon

Watch AMA supercross they have it sorted they can still jump on a yellow unless its waved works well and pretty much what happens anyway

on first and last lap of practice there should be a different colour flag The slowest guy starts first in practice, its not like everyone aint gonna pass and if there is a crash on the first lap a rider needs to know that the yellow is for a crash not just showing you where the marshal is

**Shaun** · 25th February 2010, 07:02

Originally Posted by CHOPPA

Stationary yellow.

theres a crash or something well off the track though keep racing at 99%, you can pass lapped riders but not for position

Waved yellow.

theres a crash or something and its very close to the track or on it, no passing at all should be a red flag soon

Watch AMA supercross they have it sorted they can still jump on a yellow unless its waved works well and pretty much what happens anyway

on first and last lap of practice there should be a different colour flag The slowest guy starts first in practice, its not like everyone aint gonna pass and if there is a crash on the first lap a rider needs to know that the yellow is for a crash not just showing you where the marshal is

Have you been thinking or just using drugs mate

**codgyoleracer** · 25th February 2010, 07:12

Choppa !. its hard enough training some of the guys to know the basics of the flag rules now , let alone confusing em with even more variations of the same colour flag....... :-)

**scrivy** · 25th February 2010, 07:58

At the end of the day, when you see a yellow flag, it usually means there's shit up ahead. If we all value our survival, we should slow the f@ck down. No one is allowed to pass you, so you can't lose a position by slowing down. Everybody is in the same boat. All it takes is for 1 munter to have a bad accident during a yellow flag situation, and then we need to use a red flag which ruins everybodies day!
Sidecar riders know it's also to be used if your passenger is having difficulties or has bailed. I reckon it should also be for your bike incase you're losing fluids or dragging something. That would save a poor sod doing a full lap before he gets a black flag............

**jellywrestler** · 25th February 2010, 07:59

Are you serious, is this not how it already supposed to work? this is common sense and one of the comedies of the paeroa event, or at least it could have been if it wasn't such a serious issue, was the flag marshall at the hairpin, and the kink before.
Two bikes, trying to get going again 30metres onto the main straight, no flags, parked bike for many laps as far off the line as one could get, yellow flag waving and the marshall on the kink before put his flag out too, bike and rider down, exit of hairpin in middle of the road, yellow flag waving and the marshall on the kink before put his flag out too my point being is there was no consistency therefore the riders didn't know how serious the incident from the flag marshall.

**MSTRS:Me** · 25th February 2010, 08:11

Originally Posted by jellywrestler

Are you serious, is this not how it already supposed to work? this is common sense and one of the comedies of the paeroa event, or at least it could have been if it wasn't such a serious issue, was the flag marshall at the hairpin, and the kink before.
Two bikes, trying to get going again 30metres onto the main straight, no flags, parked bike for many laps as far off the line as one could get, yellow flag waving and the marshall on the kink before put his flag out too, bike and rider down, exit of hairpin in middle of the road, yellow flag waving and the marshall on the kink before put his flag out too my point being is there was no consistency therefore the riders didn't know how serious the incident from the flag marshall.

That is all down to the marshalls involved. I couldn't say whether those particular ones had any experience, but it doesn't sound like it. The other factor is how the club involved runs their marshall program.
Let's put it this way...I won't ever marshal for AMCC again.

**scrivy** · 25th February 2010, 08:45

It all comes back to no training for the majority of flaggies.

It will have to come. And as riders of increasingly faster machines, it will have to happen very very soon......

**yungatart** · 25th February 2010, 14:27

Its already happening, Scrivvy.
PMCC train marshalls, and have a very experienced crew, other clubs request the use of PMCC marshalls, now too. Training works and ensures consistency of marshall performance, as you well know.
IMO, it is a good thing.

**FROSTY:Me** · 25th February 2010, 15:31

The flag rules are there and pretty clearcut. Everybody involved needs to learn the existing flag rules.
This discussion rears its ugly head every time theres a race incident involving flags.

**Peter Smith** · 25th February 2010, 16:20

What really suprises me is when riders that have MNZ competition licenses start asking about the different flags at events.
I think alot of riders need to re-read their MNZ book.
I think Frosty's thread suggesting riders be tested before getting their licenses was a great idea.

**Dutchee** · 25th February 2010, 17:31

One thing they have at moto gp (Aus, at least) is what all the flags mean in the programme.
I thought/think that's a great idea as some of the flags aren't used that often (water, oil on track are what spring to mind, as I hadn't seen/noticed them before).
The other one that's not obvious is the black flag with orange circle in it. Not sure if all the flags are used here, as have only seen green, yellow, red here (interesting to see the white flag means the riders are allowed to change machines per GP rules).

**MSTRS:Me** · 25th February 2010, 18:09

Originally Posted by Dutchee

One thing they have at moto gp (Aus, at least) is what all the flags mean in the programme.
I thought/think that's a great idea as some of the flags aren't used that often (water, oil on track are what spring to mind, as I hadn't seen/noticed them before).
The other one that's not obvious is the black flag with orange circle in it. Not sure if all the flags are used here, as have only seen green, yellow, red here (interesting to see the white flag means the riders are allowed to change machines per GP rules).

Flags at the Start/Finish line include many more scenarios. For marshal points there are usually 4 used.
Yellow - Held means take care but nothing dire. Waved means more imminent problem, prepare to stop.
Yellow/Red - means fluids or debris on the track.
Blue - usually waved, means slower rider about to be overtaken so s/he should hold their line.
Red - usually waved, means race is stopped, drop off pace, and return to dummy grid.

**pipson** · 25th February 2010, 18:52

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Flags at the Start/Finish line include many more scenarios. For marshal points there are usually 4 used.
Yellow - Held means take care but nothing dire. Waved means more imminent problem, prepare to stop.
Yellow/Red - means fluids or debris on the track.
Blue - usually waved, means slower rider about to be overtaken so s/he should hold their line.
Red - usually waved, means race is stopped, drop off pace, and return to dummy grid.

The yellow / red also means ducks at Manfeild.