Peter Bethune / Sea Shepherd - possible long holiday in Japan

[Mikkel]

Would have been more fun if it had been Mr. Watson being taken to court.

Win or lose, Mr. Bethune gets to learn japanese for free.

I wonder if his response to that fact will be domo arrigato go sei mas da.

[JimO]

Keep trying.........................ya might get lucky and catch me on an off day.


Skyyrder

that would be any day ending with a Y.....eh comrade

[Drogen Omen]

i cant beleive the NZ government isnt standing behind him...

Maybe this becoming a state of Australia will be good for NZ... atleast Australia has a strong stance on whaling... John Key is just worried about the free trade agreement with Japan...

atleast Australia has a back bone...

[kwaka_crasher]

No point in going down that road again so I 'won't,' but no doubt you will come up with the usual codswallop of what constitutes lawful.

LOL that 'codswallop', as you call it, is actual law, not the bullshit you just believe for no reason. This is a classic case in point - nowhere does the link you gave state anything even remotely similar to what you claim it does. You, Sir, are a bare-faced liar and an idiot.

You claimed that NZ has no jurisdiction over the AG. It does as I have demonstrated. For you to rehash an old arguement in defence of you own ineptitude defies belief but then your arguements on this issue are based on the websites and not on the content.

I did nothing of the sort. I said they have no jurisdiction over a vessel registered in a foreign nation if there is a collision in international waters between it an a NZ registered vessel. As usual, you've offered no proof to the contrary to support your claim.

Keep trying.........................ya might get lucky and catch me on an off day.

I don't need to get lucky - you never offer any proof to support your claims, only links to other ignorant people pushing the same lies, also without proof, and each time I shoot you down. You have to learn to deal with the fact that if you lie, you will be exposed.

[Skyryder]

i cant beleive the NZ government isnt standing behind him...

Maybe this becoming a state of Australia will be good for NZ... atleast Australia has a strong stance on whaling... John Key is just worried about the free trade agreement with Japan...

atleast Australia has a back bone...

Yep. Thanks to Key and 'McMullet' New Zealand has become the laughing stock of the maritime industry.


Skyryder

[spacemonkey]

This is in much the same way as a New Zealand citizen is protected while travelling overseas. The ship’s registration papers provide proof of identity like a passport does for a person.

Yes and if a NZ citizen while traveling overseas attempted to to something illegal to a citizen of another country failed and got belted in the head for it and then broke another law and was arrested for it, I'd not be expecting the local embassy to do much more than make sure I was not ill treated and let the local courts deal with me.

Or have you forgotten that the AD Gill made repeated attempts to disable and damage a forign vessel on the high seas?

[Skyryder]

LOL that 'codswallop', as you call it, is actual law, not the bullshit you just believe for no reason. This is a classic case in point - nowhere does the link you gave state anything even remotely similar to what you claim it does. You, Sir, are a bare-faced liar and an idiot.



I did nothing of the sort. I said they have no jurisdiction over a vessel registered in a foreign nation if there is a collision in international waters between it an a NZ registered vessel. As usual, you've offered no proof to the contrary to support your claim.



I don't need to get lucky - you never offer any proof to support your claims, only links to other ignorant people pushing the same lies, also without proof, and each time I shoot you down. You have to learn to deal with the fact that if you lie, you will be exposed.

For someone who believes they have won why are still running in the race? Oh and the name calling just shows that you lose your temper too.





Skyryder

[kwaka_crasher]

For someone who believes they have won why are still running in the race.

The answer is quite simple: I can't stand liars who just repeat the same bullshit over and over, like Goebbels taught them.

You've still got no proof of any of your claims either, I see.

[Skyryder]

The answer is quite simple: I can't stand liars who just repeat the same bullshit over and over, like Goebbels taught them.

You've still got no proof of any of your claims either, I see.

Jeeeez I don’t know why I bother.

While there are many reasons people consider Japans whaling illegal, there is perhaps no more clear example of it being so than IWC regulation 19(d). Japan breaks this regulation by using a factory ship based kill fleet to take Endangered Fin Whales in the IWC Southern Ocean Whale sactuary.
From http://takasito.blogspot.com/2009/02...e-whaling.html

And confirmation
CANBERRA, Australia, January 2, 2002 (ENS) - Australia has attempted to expel whaling ships from Antarctic waters it claims as Australian, after its resupply ship found the bulk of the Japanese whaling fleet there.
The Australian vessel Aurora Australis made the attempt when it found the the chaser Kyo Maru Number One and the factory ship Nisshin Maru off the West Ice Shelf early on New Year's Day.
From
http://www.whales.org.au/news/antarctic.html


I realize that this does not constitute proof but it at least supports my argument that the Japan is whaling illegally.


Skyryder

[kwaka_crasher]

Jeeeez I don’t know why I bother.

While there are many reasons people consider Japans whaling illegal, there is perhaps no more clear example of it being so than IWC regulation 19(d). Japan breaks this regulation by using a factory ship based kill fleet to take Endangered Fin Whales in the IWC Southern Ocean Whale sactuary.
From http://takasito.blogspot.com/2009/02...e-whaling.html

It supports your opinion, but it's only another flawed opinion, typical of blogs. None of those provisions apply to research permits, only to commercial whaling. Once again you attempt to take a statement out of context to twist it.

I refer you once again to the IWC:

The IWC and Scientific Permits

GENERAL

A major area of discussion in recent years has been the issuing of permits by member states for the killing of whales for scientific purposes. The use of such permits is not new. The right to issue them is enshrined in Article VIII of the 1946 Convention. Whilst member nations must submit proposals for review, in accordance with the Convention, it is the member nation that ultimately decides whether or not to issue a permit, and this right overrides any other Commission regulations including the moratorium and sanctuaries. Article VIII also requires that the animals be utilised once the scientific data have been collected.

And confirmation
CANBERRA, Australia, January 2, 2002 (ENS) - Australia has attempted to expel whaling ships from Antarctic waters it claims as Australian, after its resupply ship found the bulk of the Japanese whaling fleet there.
The Australian vessel Aurora Australis made the attempt when it found the the chaser Kyo Maru Number One and the factory ship Nisshin Maru off the West Ice Shelf early on New Year's Day.
From
http://www.whales.org.au/news/antarctic.html

I realize that this does not constitute proof but it at least supports my argument that the Japan is whaling illegally.

The Aussies can declare all they want - it doesn't change the fact that it's meaningless posturing. They have no jurisdiction over those waters.

[Bald Eagle]

i cant beleive the NZ government isnt standing behind him...
.

I don't want this or any other duly elected NZ Government to support illegal actions of NZ'ers wherever they may occur. Embassy support should be limited to ensuing they recieve humane treatment in whatever prison they end up in. IMHO

[MisterD]

... atleast Australia has a strong stance on whaling...

Ha ha ha. KRudd makes a meaningless threat on the campaign trail...and now he's stuck with it.

Don't you think the NZ position of closing the "research" loophole ('cos lets face it, all they're researching is how many whales they can catch in a season) and allowing limited commercial whaling which will overall mean fewer whales are killed is actually the pragmatic and sensible one?

The only pressure the Jap Government is ever going to give in to, is pressure from their own electorate - who knows, perhaps coverage of Pete Buffoon's trial might help in that regard...but I doubt it.

[Spyke]

this is the same Pete Bethune who ran down a fishing boat and murdered a crewmember back when his boat was still Earthrace.......

And to the point it was pitch black and the dingie didn't have any of the appropriate lights (no lights), so they were taking the risk in the waters when a boat that can happily cruise at over 80 ks was in the water?

[Swoop]

And to the point it was pitch black and the dingie didn't have any of the appropriate lights (no lights), so they were taking the risk in the waters when a boat that can happily cruise at over 80 ks was in the water?

You would be surprised how many times that happens... in Auckland harbour!