Govt internet filter going live is sad day for NZ

[mashman]

I'm pretty far from the retirement age - even if EJK is significantly further from the retirement age.

As for doing something about it - well, here we are, trying to raise public awareness about what is a really slippery slope. I'll also be voting with my wallet - i.e. go with an internet provider who doesn't adapt the filter. That's about all you can do really... short of giving politics a shot that is.

T'was just the kids reference is all...

Ain't that the just the shameful truth...

[mashman]

Add in the new police search powers, and a few other laws that have been paced that went under the radar, and a few others they are trying to push through... hey presto a "Police State" just what the Luminati want for your "NWO"... and they are already talking of tagging every with micro chips... then have been testing it on dogs for how long... people are already warming to the idea... dumb One in four Germans wants microchip under skin


well you were warned, but most people don't see the whole picture and happy living in the matrix of lies because it feels secure... well it's not...and it will get worse...

As I have said before it doesn't matter who you vote for... they are all just puppets... you have find the puppeteersif you want change...

Did you see the latest from Japan on the news tonight... advertising boards that study your face and offer you an advert you might like in, based on your age, gender, profile... lord knows what'll be next...

[SS90]

Hmmm, what an interesting thread to say the least.

I have to say it is a scary thought, social engineering is bloody disgusting, and, since it is a group of individuals who control the direction of this "engineering", they obviously steer it in a direction that will benefit them (and their families)

Here are the (harsh) realities.

1) This will go ahead.

Just like the Anti smacking Bill,The ACC costs,The Sensible sentencing bill, etc.....All these had over whelming resistance from the NZ public, but, still went ahead, do Kiwi's have the power to FORCE the government to repeal/ammend these bills, YES....but, oh,well, you know, let's just whine about it all, but do nothing, because, Shortland street is on soon, and my Mum is having her hip operation next week, and I need catfood (etc)

Basically, we all need to realise that really, Polititions are self serving gluttons. They always have been (just read editions of "punch" from the 1850's onwards.....always depicting Polititions as "pigs", feeding on the troughs (citizens)

The same is still today, Rodney "perk buster" Hyde is a perfect example.

The fact is, we are all to complacent to do anything about it.

YES, this censorship, thinly veiled as "anti kiddy porn" (nothing wrong with censoring that, should have been much earlier), is here to stay, however, it will be used to control the NZ population, like it or not.

I hope you have all read Orson Wells "1984", because I cannot think of a better example.

It's not a case of "this political party is evil", "this one is not", the fact is it's just a matter of who is going to be in power when it is effected.

If a group of people in office want something to happen, it will, sure occasionally they will "throw you a bone", and give the public the impression that we have democracy, but the reality is democracy is a crock.....god, they even get to spend millions of taxpayers dollars manipulating you to vote for them, often breaking laws in the process, so they change the laws so we can't prosecute them, actually, we can't prosecute them, they actually would have to prosecute themselves.........

Here is a quote for you, I translated it from German.

"Of course the people don't want war,but, after all the leaders of the country are the ones that determine the policy,and it is only a small matter to drag the people along.... where there is democracy,a fascist dictatorship,or a paliament,or a communist dictatorship. With a voice, or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is simple. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to danger.

That was Herman Goering at a deposition before the Nuremburg trials.

The rules are still the same.

Iraq (war for peace)......Tui moment.

The laws exist requiring the Government to yearly inform us of any site that has been censured from the public, just like they have to inform us of any video material that has been censured...... the information is available, you just have to fill out the right form......but currently, the government "refuse to tell us", just what sites will be censured, just as John Key "refuses to give any information about the mining review" (until the report is released)..... These people are EMPLOYEES of NZ, and we always forget it.

I say yes for censurship of Child porn, but, they (by their own laws) have to tell us every year which sites are banned.

Simple.

But, this will go ahead, and, many other sites will be banned, because it won't be on the news anymore, because, the news is broadcast by a state owned enterprise, and it simply won't be on the news any more. That means it doesn't exsist.....right?

[Mikkel]

My understanding was that the opposite was assumed - the demand drives the supply, making it worthwhile exploiting children to make the porn. If nobody can get it, there's no reason to make it.

I think that's a reasonable argument; I'm against the secrecy of this system though.

It's a reasonable argument - but it is based on a flawed assumption: the filter will prevent people from obtaining said contraband.

It's the same flawed assumption that provides the base for a lot of laws that are out of touch with reality. This idea that "if we say it's forbidden, nobody will do it". The world just doesn't work that way. E.g. name any illegal drug you could care to think about - how difficult would it be for you to obtain (and if that particular one isn't readily available, something worse will be)? And that is despite the authorities banning any and all trading and importing of said commodity - i.e. acting as a filter.

As for the demand itself - while it is possible that it does, to some extent, depend upon the availability - making a commodity harder to get does not remove the demand altogether. So to amend my previous statement, I'd rather have a thousand paedophiles jacking off to the same digital image than have one die-hard pervert getting creative around my neighbourhood.

[oldrider]

Hmmm, what an interesting thread to say the least.

I have to say it is a scary thought, social engineering is bloody disgusting, and, since it is a group of individuals who control the direction of this "engineering", they obviously steer it in a direction that will benefit them (and their families)

Here are the (harsh) realities.

1) This will go ahead.

Just like the Anti smacking Bill,The ACC costs,The Sensible sentencing bill, etc.....All these had over whelming resistance from the NZ public, but, still went ahead, do Kiwi's have the power to FORCE the government to repeal/ammend these bills, YES....but, oh,well, you know, let's just whine about it all, but do nothing, because, Shortland street is on soon, and my Mum is having her hip operation next week, and I need catfood (etc)

Basically, we all need to realise that really, Polititions are self serving gluttons. They always have been (just read editions of "punch" from the 1850's onwards.....always depicting Polititions as "pigs", feeding on the troughs (citizens)

The same is still today, Rodney "perk buster" Hyde is a perfect example.

The fact is, we are all to complacent to do anything about it.

YES, this censorship, thinly veiled as "anti kiddy porn" (nothing wrong with censoring that, should have been much earlier), is here to stay, however, it will be used to control the NZ population, like it or not.

I hope you have all read Orson Wells "1984", because I cannot think of a better example.

It's not a case of "this political party is evil", "this one is not", the fact is it's just a matter of who is going to be in power when it is effected.

If a group of people in office want something to happen, it will, sure occasionally they will "throw you a bone", and give the public the impression that we have democracy, but the reality is democracy is a crock.....god, they even get to spend millions of taxpayers dollars manipulating you to vote for them, often breaking laws in the process, so they change the laws so we can't prosecute them, actually, we can't prosecute them, they actually would have to prosecute themselves.........

Here is a quote for you, I translated it from German.

"Of course the people don't want war,but, after all the leaders of the country are the ones that determine the policy,and it is only a small matter to drag the people along.... where there is democracy,a fascist dictatorship,or a paliament,or a communist dictatorship. With a voice, or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is simple. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to danger.

That was Herman Goering at a deposition before the Nuremburg trials.

The rules are still the same.

Iraq (war for peace)......Tui moment.

The laws exist requiring the Government to yearly inform us of any site that has been censured from the public, just like they have to inform us of any video material that has been censured...... the information is available, you just have to fill out the right form......but currently, the government "refuse to tell us", just what sites will be censured, just as John Key "refuses to give any information about the mining review" (until the report is released)..... These people are EMPLOYEES of NZ, and we always forget it.

I say yes for censurship of Child porn, but, they (by their own laws) have to tell us every year which sites are banned.

Simple.

But, this will go ahead, and, many other sites will be banned, because it won't be on the news anymore, because, the news is broadcast by a state owned enterprise, and it simply won't be on the news any more. That means it doesn't exsist.....right?

True! Good post.

While we fight among our selves over which flavour of government we want, MMP ensures them of their place in the mix and the beat goes on regardless!

What a rort, a bit like Henry Ford's "any colour you like, so long as it's black"!

You can vote for any party you like, you can mix any flavour combination at the end and although everything changes superficially, the end result remains the same!

[Dave Lobster]

Well that explains how they did the maori activist buggings without warrants then! Its all in the "justification".

They did have warrants. They just weren't allowed to prosecute for firearms offences with evidence gained for terrorist warrants.

Badly written (shock) laws, rather than the police breaking law for their own pesonal gain.

[Mudfart]

you can argue against mmp or any other form of political party representation. at the end of the day, any system of "democracy" is ways and means of keeping fucktard corrupt money theives with their hands on our money.
Ask my work collegues, I have told them ever since Kiwisaver started that as soon as the sum got too large for ANY politician to ignore, they would simply TAKE it. I thought taking someone elses hard earned cash was theft?
I guess politicians are above the laws they make huh?
Good ole backwards cousin marrying NZers, will simply role over and die complaining, we can take and do whatever we want. No fear of violent coups in NZ. Unless its for a "worthy" cause aye? Like aparthied, or whaling, or something else that is going on somewhere else.....
Look at Hone Harawera, makes such incredibly racist comments, if that was reversed and a pakeha, palangi, cracker, had of said that about a Maori or Islander, they would be out of a job. But hey he doesn't care what the majority NZ public thinks, "I only care what my people of Taitokerau think"!!!!!!!

[Brian d marge]

My friend has been working on that , The billboard scans the crowd works out what demographic is looking at it and chnges the advert to suit
while that souds impressive , that technology is already in use from manufacturing to Asimo
it and it keeps showing me pictures of the next

but i do mind a decent family in east Auckland pushing shit up hill because XYZ corp needs to return a profit ON THE BASICS OF LIFE

FOOD , WATER EDUCATION, BASIC HEALTH

Now i get pissed off.

Stephen

[Skyryder]

They can do what they like and this clause allows it.

Immunity of the Crown

*

If any person is immune from civil liability under any of sections 157 to 159 in respect of anything done or omitted to be done, the Crown is also immune from civil liability in tort in respect of that person's conduct.



Skyryder

[SS90]

This thread is just about done it's dash..... a couple more posts, then nothing.......that's why the "governments" can do it to us.......our voices mean nothing when they are loud....and then just fade away........we get what we deserve....nothing......

[freedom-wedge]

This thread is just about done it's dash..... a couple more posts, then nothing.......that's why the "governments" can do it to us.......our voices mean nothing when they are loud....and then just fade away........we get what we deserve....nothing......

True its been the same for a while now we just sit back down eventually even the loud shouters do, the trouble is its harder these days to object because of the slow eradication of defiance at all levels and the implementation of compliance strategies over the top of this senior academics have been warning for a while about the dangers of the emerging system but their voices are but a whisper, probably due to not being able to speak out publicly or their academic situation suddenly becomes short of cash. This thread has highlighted many concerns and mostly by people who can see the big picture and are likewise worried about the situation of over bearing governance. Someone posted a link further back that gives the police greater powers of search, if you haven’t had a good read go and have a look, its this mindset that will ride right over the voices of liberal oriented people, and what’s more its being applied across the board. We are renters in our own country and the government have installed themselves as landlords and owners and they mean for this to continue.

We have a right to believe that the government will protect and provide in times of need, its why we pay into the collective, its not ok to exchange personal freedoms for government controls, EVER and measures implemented by them should reflect this but it doesn’t seem to.

[bogan]

I'm sure the majority of NZ'rs would be opposed to this filter, however as usual the government manipulates us into allowing such bills to be passed. Surely some in government must think that if they need to manipulate the people maybe its something that the do not want? Like passing it off as anti CP, sounds fine right, till you read that they dont have to divulge what sites they are actually blocking, but most wont read that far so wont get up in arms bout it. And thats the other thing, so many NZ'rs just accept that the government are going to screw us over on so many 'little' things and don't speak out. If there was ever a party running that stood for straight up, open politics, thay would get my vote

[mashman]

probably due to not being able to speak out publicly or their academic situation suddenly becomes short of cash.

That's the only thing that stops me from trying to do anything about it... and that's not likely to change as I have a family that needs CASH in order to be looked after... You can't keep an eye on all of the law making that goes on in Parliament, because you have to work, spend time with family and friends etc... and keeping abreast of every single issue, as an individual, is improbable... you need a team to do that... Things like this filter are just slaps in the face to the populous (or a test to make sure they're still not listening), but noone's listening, and that's through their own choice... why care if there's nothing you can do about it... You've ONLY got 4 million people here... how could you possibly be heard?

[SS90]

If there was ever a party running that stood for straight up, open politics, thay would get my vote

There WAS a party that campaigned on that line, with Rodney "Perk Buster" Hyde riding on that promise all the way to the Beehive............

Lying fat pig.

I am sure he started out with that good intention, but when he got there, he saw that it was just a great big trough to stick your snout in, and you where ostrasized if you didn't "have a wee nibble now and then"

Governments have controlled the media since it's inception, and now the internet has got out of hand/easy control/too much information, they have to trim it back, and, the best way to sell it it the public, is slip it in under the extremely easy to push cover of "anti child porn" (a subject that turns the stomach of even the hardest man)

I was just wondering, since I am on the other side of the world and cannot see the NZ news, is this receiving much air time (or any at all).......because, this is very serious, and, when it is no longer current (find something else to distract us), it will just flit through unopposed like all the others.

shit guys, more than 90% of the population wanted harsher sentences for violent criminals, and the government didn't do it..... THAT IS NOT DEMOCRACY......... I can't help but wonder why there was any advantage for the country in not increasing minimum penalties for violent crimes............ a group of people are making money somewhere somehow off that.

[freedom-wedge]

They did have warrants. They just weren't allowed to prosecute for firearms offences with evidence gained for terrorist warrants.

Badly written (shock) laws, rather than the police breaking law for their own pesonal gain.

There are people still facing charges over all of that and are being shafted, trail date somtime in 2011, c,mon the right to a speedy trial has been overlooked, unfortunately its not the worst of it, just a reminder is all, we forget so much at times, people are being messed with here just becuase the powers that be, can and do.