Govt internet filter going live is sad day for NZ

[Mudfart]

It seems to me that political corruption and misappropriation of the people's money is best acheived by openness and transparency - the exact opposite of having a police force that works in secret, suppressing information.

Thanks for backing up my point. Political corruption and misappropriation of funds is best acheived by....."democracy".
As for your other points, don't be fooled by historical propaganda that Hitler was the worst of the worst blah blah blah. He is "credited" with 7.5 million jews dead, although he only gave the order to fix the problem, it was others that decided gassing them dead was the answer to fix the problem.
Josef Stalin is credited with an estimated 50+ million dead during his reign of terror, with at least 15 million being jews. He absolutely hated jews. Then there was chairman Mao, he ordered that all of China take a week off work to kill all the sparrows in China. The next year there wasnt enough birds to eat the insects, so all the crops got fucked, and 60+ million chinese died in a single famine. Fathers were killing themselves so the mother could cook them to feed the children.
Then Mao was responsible for another famine...... Well over 100 Million dead.....
Now look at America, and the other "free" countries. If you haven't been outside NZ or Oz then you might as well stick your head up your ass. Because I'll tell you right now, there are homeless and parentless children in other firstworld countries, its no myth.
No form of govt is flawless but ours has a tonne of space for improvement.
A university degree in economics doesn't tell me you are wise enough to earn the honour of representing the people.
Hell I got a Dip and a BSc, I should at least be an MP, right?

[Mudfart]

oh yeah a Josef Stalin quote,
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic".

[freedom-wedge]

It's New Zealands good old too hard basket again... Having said that though it's the same in every country... If the dipshits at the top can't be arsed spending the time and money required to bring SOE's up to date and running efficiently, they just find a buyer (at great expense), well, investor, and the investor puts the time and effort into it and turns it into a profit making business... We're quite happy to have govt lead us these days and provided they're looking at Health, or Education, or the current hot potato of the moment, then there's carte blanche to throw as much resource at the issue as they feel is necessary and just say we underestimated the project... We buy into that. If you're constantly blowing budget and timescales at work what happens? You get fired! You're shit at your job... get the fuck out... INSTANTLY...

Too true inagine if we could carry on like that. off opic, I stayed in tooting broadway for a while and took the tube to work evey day, and I did the salute also everyday outside the front of the tube station, the programme was cool, youre avitar makes me laugh and remember, not so much now its upside down however, your trying to confuse people with it arnt ya :-)

[mashman]

We are only 4 million and it’s hard to be heard, real hard when they would rather not hear you.

The flip side to that is that you have so few people that you actually need to make aware of a "situation"...

It is off-topic, but this thread is all but dead... If the government want solutions to existing in a global financial economy (including filters etc...)... what ya think about this one Jonhkey?

Pass a law that has all of the wages/profit earned in NZ end up in Kiwibank... How much would that be? If you have $100 million for arguments sake, at an interest rate of 10%, then you're looking at approx $10 mill earned for nothing other than having money... What if it's $100billion WTF!!! All you then need to do is provide services to the people that are earning the money, food, luxuries etc... Not sure what essentials NZ imports... but to be fair it wouldn't matter if you have a HUGE amount of cash to play with... You could then make living in NZ free... the people will still make food, maintain water systems etc... However, you can then bring down the cost of living in NZ to a level where we, as a country, we are better off (maybe not quite free, but a damn site better off)... The govt then pays a dividend to every NZ adult, on a monthly basis, quaterly etc... that then allows Kiwis to do what they want to do... all jobs would essentially be state jobs... healthcare would cost next to nothing... you would have a country of people that are doing things for the good of the country, politicians included... If the govt rort, then have laws in place for execution as it would be considered treason to steal from every person in NZ...

Whilst the above isn't perfect... I'm betting it's be a start

[rwh]

It seems to me that political corruption and misappropriation of the people's money is best acheived by openness and transparency - the exact opposite of having a police force that works in secret, suppressing information.

Thanks for backing up my point. Political corruption and misappropriation of funds is best acheived by....."democracy".

Gah. I seem to have said exactly the opposite of what I intended to say.

It seems to me that avoiding political corruption and misappropriation of the people's money is best acheived by openness and transparency - the exact opposite of having a police force that works in secret, suppressing information.

Do you want to respond to that instead? :-)

As for your other points, don't be fooled by historical propaganda that Hitler was the worst of the worst blah blah blah. He is "credited" with 7.5 million jews dead, although he only gave the order to fix the problem, it was others that decided gassing them dead was the answer to fix the problem.
Josef Stalin is credited with an estimated 50+ million dead during his reign of terror, with at least 15 million being jews. He absolutely hated jews. Then there was chairman Mao, he ordered that all of China take a week off work to kill all the sparrows in China. The next year there wasnt enough birds to eat the insects, so all the crops got fucked, and 60+ million chinese died in a single famine. Fathers were killing themselves so the mother could cook them to feed the children.
Then Mao was responsible for another famine...... Well over 100 Million dead.....
Now look at America, and the other "free" countries. If you haven't been outside NZ or Oz then you might as well stick your head up your ass. Because I'll tell you right now, there are homeless and parentless children in other firstworld countries, its no myth.
No form of govt is flawless but ours has a tonne of space for improvement.
A university degree in economics doesn't tell me you are wise enough to earn the honour of representing the people.
Hell I got a Dip and a BSc, I should at least be an MP, right?

I never claimed that Hitler was the worst, and I certainly didn't claim that the USA was the best. I think I claimed that the NAZIs, and the others you mentioned, were 'nasty governments', and questioned (or attempted to question) your apparent claim that secret police forces made them less bad than they would otherwise have been.

Richard

[Brian d marge]

Selling SOE's is another matter entirely, it pains me too se that successive governments have simply flogged of publicly owned assets to offshore investors, only to see them turn them into massive profit making entities, that should have been done by the government in the first place. Hell, we have Australian and Asian companies having Kiwi's slaving away in their own country, while the profits go offshore!

What the Hell?

which country owns the debt of NZ
and I completely agree , those profits should remain in NZ ,,, and it will get worse , water , education , transport , all privatised ( not a bad thing ) but owned by ONYX ( sp) or wall-mart

Stephen

[rwh]

which country owns the debt of NZ
and I completely agree , those profits should remain in NZ ,,, and it will get worse , water , education , transport , all privatised ( not a bad thing ) but owned by ONYX ( sp) or wall-mart

Stephen

It's not just the profits.
Water: it's a natural monopoly - you don't want multiple water mains running up your street. A private company running a monopoly has the chance to charge whatever they like, for their own good, and not that of the community, unless you regulate them severely, and then what's the point? Especially since it's an essential supply.

Education: private education is a means for rich parents to say 'we don't want our kids to associate with the poor ones', to the detriment of the education of both, probably.

Transport is mixed: road and rail networks are a monopoly similar to water; the traffic on them is a bit less of an issue.

Richard