The Goat of Hampton Downs

[denill]

In my opinion you can either be a Collin Edwards or a Nicky Hayden.

Yeah, you make good points.

So Cougar, when you find out who the 'villain' is, what're you going to do?

[Sketchy_Racer]

Mate, I know it sucks and at the time it understandable to be really fired up and want to get back at the person that has caused you all this greif, but it is highly unlikely that someone hit you intentionally and it was just a accident. I think the best thing you could do is not let it drag on, accept that has happened and move on. A sorry from the person would have been nice and quite appropriate but it's not exactly going to undo what has already happened.

Good luck with getting your bike sorted for the NZTT!

[scrivy]

Unfortunately the only help you're likely to get is "suck it up and come back fighting hard next time". Think of it as character building

er.... didn't this shit happen on the first green lap of a PRACTICE session??

How is it character building when some fuckwit takes you out by being a dick in practice?? Everyone should know better. We should never condone such actions of fellow racers.
I shudder to think what would happen if we allow low IQ munters on the track at the same time as say Superbikes are out there on their expensive beasts. "Oh, who took him out? Doesn't matter, he'll spend lots of money repairing it....." "Oh look, he's been taken out again......." "He'll get over it...." "It'll harden him up........"

I think all 'thecougar' would like to do is pull him aside and tell him his wrong doings. If more people did it, then some people may just pull their heads in!

[thecougar 0]

I was just rather unsure of what happens to people who go around causing accidents/taking people out on practice days.
Obviously I'm not so familiar with the eticate.
Apon hearing it's just tough luck, we just have to be quiet, take it like a man and try fix everything while next time come back-be hard and be the one taking people out.
Enough said. I'll just start repairing and look forward to being the silent aggressor.

[White trash]

Yea it is bollocks when shit like that happens, bad enough when it happens in a race let alone on a track day im sure they said something about 2 meters between passing the same thing happened in the red group that munter meads kid on the zx6 took this poor guy out going down the hill in turn 1 just went round outside and cut across the front of him poor bugger had no chance and went face first into the ground very un cool.

Really? That sounds a bit out of character for Meads.........

[scrivy]

I was just rather unsure of what happens to people who go around causing accidents/taking people out on practice days.
Obviously I'm not so familiar with the eticate.
Apon hearing it's just tough luck, we just have to be quiet, take it like a man and try fix everything while next time come back-be hard and be the one taking people out.
Enough said. I'll just start repairing and look forward to being the silent aggressor.

That's unfortunate dude.

And we wonder why there aren't many people looking at doing our supposedly elite Nationals.
If we tell newbies to harden the fuck up and get on with it, how the hell do we ever grow our sport????
If someone takes someone else out, they should be the one to harden the fuck up and go over and apologise, or have I missed something?

[R6_kid:Me]

er.... didn't this shit happen on the first green lap of a PRACTICE session??

How is it character building when some fuckwit takes you out by being a dick in practice?? Everyone should know better. We should never condone such actions of fellow racers.
I shudder to think what would happen if we allow low IQ munters on the track at the same time as say Superbikes are out there on their expensive beasts. "Oh, who took him out? Doesn't matter, he'll spend lots of money repairing it....." "Oh look, he's been taken out again......." "He'll get over it...." "It'll harden him up........"

I think all 'thecougar' would like to do is pull him aside and tell him his wrong doings. If more people did it, then some people may just pull their heads in!

You're 100% right. It would seem that the other guy was going far too hard in a practice session, I don't doubt that, and I certainly don't condone riding like a cock and causing injury or loss to another rider and then not owning up to it. All I'm saying is that you can either choose to dwell on it, or move on and focus on being well prepared for your race. If you couldn't get it sorted on the day I don't see the point in dragging it out and having it hanging over your head, possibly affecting your performance next time out.

What I do think is shit is that race/course control didn't do anything to sort it out straight away, certainly if rider safety is being put in jeopardy then it'd be your number one priority to sort it out before letting the riders out on the track. On Monday at the Hampton Downs Ride Day that's exactly how it was handled - as soon as the bike went down, and it was made clear that it was a bike-bike collision, the first the the organisers wanted to know was who was at fault so that it could be cleared up, and appropriate warnings given out to the riders in question.

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

Its a bitter pill we have to sometimes swallow when racing. Accidents do happen, they can also be avoided.

My pill has cost me over $5k so far and its still not finished.

Rules of engagement are simple it is the resposibility of the overtaking rider to do so safely. You can be a close as you like without the contact

Good luck with the rebuild hope it doesnt cost a fortune and the parts are readily available. Suck it up and move on.

[Maido]

I am pretty sure some people just have absolutely no idea how long their bikes are when they are passing.

[CookMySock]

MNZ's code of conduct rules and other clauses basically say retribution will be liable for expulsion...... That would put an end to 'thecougars' racing interests for sure!!

I didn't mean beat him up - I meant get out there and win.

Steve

[Nonbeliever]

In my opinion you can either be a Collin Edwards or a Nicky Hayden. Collin Edwards get's on with life and his philosophy is "that's racing", he moves on and worries about getting sorted for the next race. Nicky Hayden bitches and moans and tries to pick fights with whoever took him out, like he's on a holy mission to destroy all those who oppose his progress, he then end's up in a hole and takes a fair while longer to get back to where he was.

It's easy to see who is more consistent with their racing, and I'd say that it's a lot to do with their attitude.

In the future when you read the list of motogp champions you'll see the name N Hayden for the year 2006.C Edwards will not get a mention.He hasnt even won a motogp race has he?

btw, I actually like Colin.

[I14]

[QUOTE=Kiwi Graham;1129686609]Its a bitter pill we have to sometimes swallow when racing. Accidents do happen, they can also be avoided.

My pill has cost me over $5k so far and its still not finished.

Rules of engagement are simple it is the resposibility of the overtaking rider to do so safely. You can be a close as you like without the contact

The trouble is peoples' definition of "safety" tends to vary. I was racing at Taupo on Sunday in Post Classics on my VFR duelling with another guy on a VFR plus 2 others on LC350 Yammies. The 2 VFR's were taking similar lines but particularly 1 of the LC's would stuff it up the inside on slow corners on a really tight line. So you choose your spot, tip in, completely unaware of anyone close behind, you get within a bikelength of the apex at maximum lean and suddenly this LC appears virtually rubbing shoulders. You have no option but to stand it up and hope like shit you don't run off the track. The guy watches too much MotoGP. The responsiblity should be on the overtaker to do it safely right? In my view, but obviously not his, that's not safe. Unless I avoid him then a collision WILL occur. A different matter if he stuffed it up just before you tipped in but you shouldn't have to drastically steer to avoid a collision without nay attempt by the other party to avoid it?

HTFU??

[KS34]

I feel for ya, absolute shit behavour on the track! On the positive side one thing that stuck out like dog nuts at the Manfeild nationals round was that the fast guys gave us slower ones shed loads of room so I suppose it goes to show there are no excuses.

[sidecar bob]

Its the whole new youth attitude, if you can get away without manning up, then do so.
Reminds me of Wanganui Cemetary circiut a couple of years ago when some fucktard dropped his fully laden bike into the side of my car when parking & buggered off causing $1500 of damage.
It seems people arent born with a spine anymore.

[R6_kid:Me]

In the future when you read the list of motogp champions you'll see the name N Hayden for the year 2006.C Edwards will not get a mention.He hasnt even won a motogp race has he?

Two World Superbike championships and one runner up ain't bad. Colin Edwards II is Mr Consistent. He certainly rides a lot more predictably race to race than Nicky Hayden does. For the last two years he's been the fastest overall out of the Satellite Teams, so while he's no MotoGP champion, he's certainly not an average rider!