The Goat of Hampton Downs

[scott2ride]

Hey there. I havent posted in a long while. And I dont know what Scooterboy wants to achieve. But I understand his need to find out and to vent his frustrations. I feel the same way...

I was the 'poor bastard' mentioned by 2 others earlier in the thread, that got knocked off by Meads on his ZX6 on the same corner at a track day in the fast group last week. It was only the start of lap 2 and with no tire warmers at hampton you take it easy for the first couple. Meads ignores the 2m passing rile and comes around the outside of a group of us, swings in hard and bloody recklessly and smashes into the side of me as Im leaning fully over and into the turn. I was on a tight line and staying on line. He just nailed me. Christ, everyone was just cruzing at this point at 80% pace and he deliberately cut accross my line to 'cut me up' and show his 'skills'. He currently leads the 600cc points board so there is no denying he can ride. But fook me, it was such an unnecessary and careless move and I could easily have been killed or more seriously injured. As it is Im still in lots of pain and my bike and gear is trashed. It will cost me about $6-7000 to replace all my gear and to repair the bike.

Meads's attitude was that he didnt give a shit. He was even requested by the officials to come over and to check on me an apologize for knocking me off. And he didnt even do that, despite being setup just 50m from me. I waited till he was about to leave (as he was packing up to go) and limped over to speak to him... arm in sling, grazed and fucking sore. I didnt get angry or raise my voice and simply said Hi, and introduced myself as the guy he knocked off. His reply was "Yeah, thats just racing mate". To which I replied, "we weren't racing, it was a track day and we were barely out of the warm up lap."...
His reply again... "Oh well thats just how it is racing mate!" (or something similar.) He showed no remorse and he even mentioned that he was asked to go and talk to me but hat he didnt bother because he said he wasnt sure which bike it was.... I mentioned it wasnt hard for me to check the pits and find a green bike with paint on it that matched my bike. So I didnt think it would be too tough for him to work out which bike was all smashed up.

Anyway, the long and the short of it is he showed no remorse for the incident and didnt even ask if I was ok or the bike was ok. In the end I was starting to get pissed off with his attitude and that of his fater and suggested maybe they could do the sportsman like thing and help contribute to the repair of the bike they trashed. They just got rude and abusive. In the end I told hi I'd sue him for the damage as he was so reckless and careless and had total disregard for my life and those on other bikes. And as it turns out he has done this to others as well, knocking them off their bikes. I have to say he and his father were very very close to being given a bit of a slap around... but fortunately for them we had already been approached by the organizers and specifically requested not to turn it into a fight or a scene, other wise we would be banned as well.

Not much I can do but vent... though it feels better to have done so.

Let me know if you know of anyone else who he has knocked off.

Hmmm... maybe one day his antics will get him banned. Hopefully in the mean time no-one gets killed or injured more seriously.

Cheers

[Bren_chch]

damn - that sucks!! What a poor attitude. you did well in keeping it together.

[suzuki21]

Instead of crying about things why not go out and beat him? This whole season has turned into a crybaby theme. Yes - some people are too agressive and can cause crashes, Yes sometimes your bike gets damaged. We "race" not do timetrials.
You say he hit you, but have you thought about the fact that he may have thought you hit him?
Everyone being crybaby on this forum probably thinks it's cool when they see Rossi do it on TV.

[vinducati]

I think the point the rider who got knocked off at the RideDay is making is that, at a RideDay you should respect the rules of the RIDEDAY.
Which in the case of Californian Superbike School Days indicates keeping 2 metres from the other bike at all times.
If you attend these days then you should play by those rules.
If you wish to race you should attend Race Practice days and Race Days.
I hope organisers of the RIDEDAYS take a good look at someone who makes a comment at a RIDEDAY like "that's just racing.." as the person should not be riding with that attitude.
Cheers and respect to al the riders entered in the Nationals this weekend, looking forward to it.

[scott2ride]

Instead of crying about things why not go out and beat him? This whole season has turned into a crybaby theme. Yes - some people are too agressive and can cause crashes, Yes sometimes your bike gets damaged. We "race" not do timetrials.
You say he hit you, but have you thought about the fact that he may have thought you hit him?
Everyone being crybaby on this forum probably thinks it's cool when they see Rossi do it on TV.

I think you should get things into context before accusing people of being a cry baby or suggesting I should go out and beat him. (Though he is bloody lucky he didnt get a total beating.)

Some perspective... I am not racing in the nationals, in fact havent raced since 1989. I was out to have a safe fun track day. Im fast enough for the fast group and as a group they tend to know what they are doing.

It wasnt racing... It wasnt a race practice day either. It wasnt a competitive event. It was a California Superbike school Track day. Thats it. Just a track day. But of significance it what they told us at that track day.

At the riders briefing we were told at least 2 times that there was a 2 meter passing rule in force. And if we couldn’t pass with a safety margin of 2 meters then dont pass. Anyone passing unsafely will be reprimanded and serious offences banned.

Ok I thought. They made it pretty clear.

BUT.... then immediately after the riders briefing they asked all the fast group to wait and they had additional words to us. They reiterated the no passing unless 2 meters rule and advised us that there were a number of riders here who were competing in the Nationals. They directed the next comments to the racers and stated this is NOT a race day. This is NOT a practice day. There will be NO timing equipment used and that the racers must take extra care as there were many non-racers out there. They said they wouldn’t tolerate riders not adhering to the rules. etc...

So our mate Meads has no excuse for his behaviour on the track and certainly no excuse for his attitude off it.

Im certain that if it was any one of you and you just had your bike and gear trashed ( bike damaged $3000, new gloves $333, Leathers, $1,700. Boots $600 & Arai RX7 Corsair helmet $1300 etc...) that you would not be impressed either.

It was NOT a racing accident. It was a racer who decided to "show us his skills" by diving in on us and cutting us up completely unnecessarily, at the end of the bloody warm up! It was careless, reckless, dangerous and totally pointless.

His stupidity could easily have resulted in some serious injuries to both of us. Possibly even killing either of us. He is young and cocky and fast and thinks he is invincible. Im in my 40s, have a lovely wife (18 yrs married) and a 6, 4 and 2 year old. So I have something to live for and am well aware of my mortality. I go to track days to go fast in relative safety. No one needs this shit, especially so unnecessary. As it is my shoulder, back and knee are fooked and I haven’t been able to sleep due to the discomfort. And yes, thats the price I pay for doing a track day and hitting the tarmac. But it would be a much easier pill to swallow if you knew the person who caused it felt it was a genuine accident and showed some concern for what happened. But his attitude and comments to me (And his past history of doing this to others) shows he cut me up deliberately to show off and that he doesn’t give a shit.

Maybe being invincible, immortal and having good sponsorship to pay for everything helps too eh!

[vinducati]

Did the organisers speak to the rider who knocked you off?
They seem to make it quite clear that they would remove people from the day and possibly any future RideDays for exactly this type of thing.

[scott2ride]

Yes they did talk to Meads. They had some "Stern words" to him (Their words to me) and told him it was unacceptable and dangerous and that he also needed to apologize to me (which he didnt do). Darren from California SB School said he was going to throw him out as well, but when he got up to see him and have words with him he discovered he was packing up anyway (apparently Meads cracked his link pipe or header). And I have also been advised that he is likely to be blacklisted for future events as they were very unimpressed with the incident and his attitude.

[vinducati]

Glad to here that.
That is why I will continue to attend RideDays run by CSS.

[nick2slow]

dont no wat points lead meads is leading in 600s but i no im leading da nz 600s. an in regards to your riding gear... bad luck shit happens you buy saftey gear to protect you an sounds like you had good gear which is good to hear but yes good gear cost alot i no! but what happen to you sucks but you cant go on a web site like this to wat seems like make yourself feel better bout yourself over what happen. cant change what happen so if were me i would move on

I think you should get things into context before accusing people of being a cry baby or suggesting I should go out and beat him. (Though he is bloody lucky he didnt get a total beating.)

Some perspective... I am not racing in the nationals, in fact havent raced since 1989. I was out to have a safe fun track day. Im fast enough for the fast group and as a group they tend to know what they are doing.

It wasnt racing... It wasnt a race practice day either. It wasnt a competitive event. It was a California Superbike school Track day. Thats it. Just a track day. But of significance it what they told us at that track day.

At the riders briefing we were told at least 2 times that there was a 2 meter passing rule in force. And if we couldn’t pass with a safety margin of 2 meters then dont pass. Anyone passing unsafely will be reprimanded and serious offences banned.

Ok I thought. They made it pretty clear.

BUT.... then immediately after the riders briefing they asked all the fast group to wait and they had additional words to us. They reiterated the no passing unless 2 meters rule and advised us that there were a number of riders here who were competing in the Nationals. They directed the next comments to the racers and stated this is NOT a race day. This is NOT a practice day. There will be NO timing equipment used and that the racers must take extra care as there were many non-racers out there. They said they wouldn’t tolerate riders not adhering to the rules. etc...

So our mate Meads has no excuse for his behaviour on the track and certainly no excuse for his attitude off it.

Im certain that if it was any one of you and you just had your bike and gear trashed ( bike damaged $3000, new gloves $333, Leathers, $1,700. Boots $600 & Arai RX7 Corsair helmet $1300 etc...) that you would not be impressed either.

It was NOT a racing accident. It was a racer who decided to "show us his skills" by diving in on us and cutting us up completely unnecessarily, at the end of the bloody warm up! It was careless, reckless, dangerous and totally pointless.

His stupidity could easily have resulted in some serious injuries to both of us. Possibly even killing either of us. He is young and cocky and fast and thinks he is invincible. Im in my 40s, have a lovely wife (18 yrs married) and a 6, 4 and 2 year old. So I have something to live for and am well aware of my mortality. I go to track days to go fast in relative safety. No one needs this shit, especially so unnecessary. As it is my shoulder, back and knee are fooked and I haven’t been able to sleep due to the discomfort. And yes, thats the price I pay for doing a track day and hitting the tarmac. But it would be a much easier pill to swallow if you knew the person who caused it felt it was a genuine accident and showed some concern for what happened. But his attitude and comments to me (And his past history of doing this to others) shows he cut me up deliberately to show off and that he doesn’t give a shit.

Maybe being invincible, immortal and having good sponsorship to pay for everything helps too eh!

[CHOPPA]

Maybe we should get Sam Love to sort him out! Oh wait...

[Bren_chch]

Maybe we should get Sam Love to sort him out! Oh wait...

haha nice!

he's too busy paying off a triumph :O

[Tony.OK]

So whats so different about someone venting a little online compared with racers throwing complete tanty's at the track? Been a bit of that in the past has there not?

If someone's dangerous out there then its good to know IMO.

I think a racer should know better than to use a "public trackday" as a proper test day, no glory in beating "joe public" on his roadbike, just small cock syndrome!

[cowpoos]

follow up thread...whats it called?

[scracha]

His reply was "Yeah, thats just racing mate". To which I replied, "we weren't racing, it was a track day and we were barely out of the warm up lap."...

What happens on track, stays on track. To that effect, heal up and smash him bro!

[suzuki21]

dont no wat points lead meads is leading in 600s but i no im leading da nz 600s. an in regards to your riding gear... bad luck shit happens you buy saftey gear to protect you an sounds like you had good gear which is good to hear but yes good gear cost alot i no! but what happen to you sucks but you cant go on a web site like this to wat seems like make yourself feel better bout yourself over what happen. cant change what happen so if were me i would move on

(Meads is leading 600ss class points). What you say is true about the rest Nick, Whinging on a website does any sport no good. Shit - I could say on multiple forums that Andrew Stroud is a mean short person and cant ride for shit, and the next thing you know people believe it! People need to remember the internet is only there for porn - nothing else (hell yeah)