Waihopai terrorists get off

**peasea** · 18th March 2010, 05:41

Originally Posted by AllanB

There are a couple of local arse-holes I'd like to get some pay-back on. Maybe this is the legal out I need ............ it would certainly be 'for the greater good'

Is one of them your mayor?

**wbks** · 18th March 2010, 06:29

Originally Posted by rainman

I agree, they really should stop it.

Oh wait, you meant you're happy for them to keep killing people and being very "selective" which regimes they support and which they regard as evil, you just don't want to have to THINK about it?

What's wrong with that? You're happy to live off the western spoils that the "american war machine" secures for us in the western world i.e petrol (this IS a "biker" site) but still like to play the hippy?

**MisterD** · 18th March 2010, 07:08

Originally Posted by rainman

Oh wait, you meant you're happy for them to keep killing people and being very "selective" which regimes they support and which they regard as evil, you just don't want to have to THINK about it?

No. I mean I'm happy that they're a friend and ally and that knee-jerk "America = bad" rubbish like we get from the likes of these twats and Keith Locke really should be called for the bullshit that it is.

**Bald Eagle** · 18th March 2010, 07:33

Yet again the legal profession have made fools of the rest of us. If it wasn't such a tragic failure of common sense it would be hilarious. I sense a Tui billboard in this.

**rainman** · 18th March 2010, 07:45

Originally Posted by firefighter

Erm, it just did.

Originally Posted by McJim

I vote we turn up at their houses and knock them down to recover our tax dollars.

Um, you guys aren't very bright this morning, are you? Perhaps there may be some subtleties to this case that are escaping you.
Consider the following: "we broke a law to protect plastic to uphold a law to protect human life."

Originally Posted by wbks

What's wrong with that? You're happy to live off the western spoils that the "american war machine" secures for us in the western world i.e petrol (this IS a "biker" site) but still like to play the hippy?

"What's wrong with that?" Jeez, your mommy brought you up wrong! Killing people for their oil is bad, mmmkay?

Actually, I'm not happy to live off the "western spoils of war", and am happy to take my share of the medicine required during the necessary adaptation that will (inevitably) happen. I spend a bit of my time actively working towards this. There is a better way than the American Nightmare.

Actually, I don't think I am a hippie, either. I don't do drugs, listen to more than just crazy psychedelic music, and have quite a boring sex life by comparison to the 60's. And I don't think you can be a hippie and have a mortgage. So if you're quite finished trying to discredit me perhaps you could argue the point?

**boostin** · 18th March 2010, 07:50

There was no 'greater good' defense pleaded as far as I am aware, nor any ignorance of the law.

It was more than likely the defence from s48 of the Crimes Act, Self-defence and defence of another - Every one is justified in using, in the defence of himself or another, such force as, in the circumstances as he believes them to be, it is reasonable to use.

But lets not let the truth get in the way of a good story.

**firefighter** · 18th March 2010, 07:57

Originally Posted by rainman

Um, you guys aren't very bright this morning, are you? Perhaps there may be some subtleties to this case that are escaping you.
Consider the following: "we broke a law to protect plastic to uphold a law to protect human life."

What a load of crap. Your as bad as my Auntie thinking that the Navy "brain washed" me during my basic training because my opinion is different to hers.

Whether you think the war was over oil or not, that is not the debate, those domes are not helping kill people, all this has done is set a precedent for more retards who believe and absorb all the conspiracy theory shit to vandalise more property.

Unless you're privvy to more info from there than I ever was whilst I served in the defence force, which I highly doubt, then I assure you it's all a load of shit, and some fuckwitt hippys (ffs did you see them?!) did some serious acts vandalism over something they could only presume, from their whacked out naiive perceptions of what's going on.

They are probably the same people calling us babykillers as we did our class 2 and 4 licence in the Unimogs and 2228's in Nelson. Like I said, naiive retards.

**rainman** · 18th March 2010, 07:58

Originally Posted by MisterD

No. I mean I'm happy that they're a friend and ally and that knee-jerk "America = bad" rubbish like we get from the likes of these twats and Keith Locke really should be called for the bullshit that it is.

Agree, "America=Bad" is an oversimplification, but so is "America=Good". Maybe if they behaved themselves, it would be different, eh? The fuckers are always off picking fights they should just stay out of (and conveniently staying blind to a few that, by their standards, they should get involved in). They've barely not been fighting a war somewhere since the end of WWII.

And I still don't see why my taxes (and yours) should prop up their dodgy spying in support of their dodgy wars.

**Okey Dokey** · 18th March 2010, 08:03

I hope there is a good write-up in the paper explaining the verdict. I am really suprised by it. Do you think that the judges instructions to the jury help lead or guide them towards their verdict? or was the defense team fantastic/ prosecution useless? I'm just wondering.

**firefighter** · 18th March 2010, 08:05

Originally Posted by rainman

Agree, "America=Bad" is an oversimplification, but so is "America=Good". Maybe if they behaved themselves, it would be different, eh? The fuckers are always off picking fights they should just stay out of (and conveniently staying blind to a few that, by their standards, they should get involved in). They've barely not been fighting a war somewhere since the end of WWII

True. However what was done, is what should have been done by the U.N as soon as it was discovered that Adolf Hitler was back in the form of Saddam Hussein. Same shit, different man. Do'nt forget about all that genocide.

It should have been led by the U.N, removed the animal, then reconstruction. Unfortunately all the U.N are capable of doing is writing a stern letter, or disapproving an action at a meeting. The yanks just went the wrong way about it.

**portokiwi** · 18th March 2010, 08:05

This just proves to me how bad the system realy is...... I am still stunned.
It dosnt matter what the place was but the fact they were cought and they admitted to doing the crime, Cost the tax payer has to pay $$$$$$$$ to replace dome, and the system lets them off.
This is just crazy.
Hang on our taxes are going up.... Petrol is going up.... Regos are going up......
Why dosnt my pay lol.

**oldrider** · 18th March 2010, 10:17

This is fast becoming one sick twisted society!

It reminds me of the rabbit plague in New Zealand!

An irrelevant pest, harmless and tolerated at first but then assuming proportions capable of destroying the country!

What began with Quixote like "innocence",

if not soon checked, could be running the country!

They are even openly evident among us on this forum!

**Blackbird** · 18th March 2010, 10:25

Originally Posted by MisterD

No. I mean I'm happy that they're a friend and ally and that knee-jerk "America = bad" rubbish like we get from the likes of these twats and Keith Locke really should be called for the bullshit that it is.

It doesn't take much effort to look back to the 70's and 80's to see the political leanings of Locke and more than a few others from that party. Less "Green", more "Red". Greens are a good vehicle for pushing Socialist ideals.

**pete376403** · 18th March 2010, 10:48

Originally Posted by firefighter

True. However what was done, is what should have been done by the U.N as soon as it was discovered that Adolf Hitler was back in the form of Saddam Hussein. Same shit, different man. Do'nt forget about all that genocide.

It should have been led by the U.N, removed the animal, then reconstruction. Unfortunately all the U.N are capable of doing is writing a stern letter, or disapproving an action at a meeting. The yanks just went the wrong way about it.

Going off on a tangent here, but right up to the point of invading Kuwait (which was done with the full knowlege and apparent agreement of the US ambassador to Iraq), Saddam, although acknowleged as a Bad Guy, was Americas Bad Guy, so therefore nothing the UN wanted to do would have ever got passed becuase the US would Veto it. Once he moved on Kuwait, everything changed and the US and its allies moved in. THey perhaps should have gone all the way to Baghdad instead of halting at the Kuwait border but Bush 1 had a lot more smarts than Bush 2 and realised that taking out Saddam would only make the Iranians stronger (which it has).
There's a huge pile of history that tends to get ignored. Also, "all that genocide" - reputedly between 50, 000 and 100,000 kurds gassed (incidentally using US supplied chemicals and delivery mechanisms) - the Lancet estimates over 650,000 Iraqis of all flavours have died since the invasion of 2003. So who's genocidal now?

Anyway, back to Waiohopi.