Waihopai terrorists get off

[Skyryder]

Still for all the arguments a great precedent has been set and we can go and break into peoples houses and do damage for the greater good. There is no evidence that the dishes were spying on people of any great import. In this hemisphere I severely doubt they were used for anything important. If the idiots wanted to be useful (rather than just getting their cocks sucked on TV by the TV channels) then they should go off to America and have a go at an active military establishment. New Zealand apars to have little or no law to speak of any more so I suspect we had better take the law into our own hands and tear down these hippies houses until they understand the concept of Private Property.

Distric t Courts are not bound by their own decisions.

No precedent has been set, until the Appelent Court issues a judgment.


Skyryder

[Toaster]

It does thanks. Might have to re read in the morning.

Great. I was just thinking I will probably read this in the cold light of day tomorrow and wonder what the heck I was saying! There will be a case summary published somewhere in due course. I recommend reading it and the commentary. That will likely explain it better than I ever could.

[Pixie]

Yes they have been found not guilty.But over the next 3 years they will all suffer "mysterious" accidents.And at the scene of one of these "accidents" a briefcase containing a cold meat pie and a Penthouse magazine will be found.

[scissorhands]

Good for them.

The phrase "Pavlov's dog" is often used to describe someone who merely reacts to a situation rather than using ***critical thinking***

The jury finds you a tux biscuit

[oldrider]

Good for them.

The phrase "Pavlov's dog" is often used to describe someone who merely reacts to a situation rather than using ***critical thinking***

The jury finds you a tux biscuit

And the meek shall inherit the earth..........well they will have fucked it up by then anyway, if these guys are any example of the "meek"!

[Robert Taylor]

Well on that both clarke and Key are in accord. I'd boot the Free trade Agreement with China down the shithole but i don't recall simular sentiments coming from ya self. Still i might have missed a post.

Now for the real issisue


We never had the need for a tactical strike wing. The decision to scrap the strikemasters was base on cost. To replace these aircraft was simply going to be to damn expensive. There is no imminent threat to NZ security by way of invasion in the forseeable future and as such no need for a defensive aircover. Should the need arise SAM batteries could be emplyed at a fraction of the cost and be equall effective. Air strikes in the future are likely to be carried out by pilotless planes operated by 'pilots' on the air base so to suggest that we should be putting our tax dollare in a tactical strike force shows how litle you know of both costs and the future direction of air warfare.

Just look at the costs per unit. OK not a definitive site on this and its if bit old. Janes might be better but not too sure if they give costs.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/dae...inalJuly06.pdf

Take a look at the Highlights.

Average unit costs exceed 100 million........................yep we can afford that alright.

Try and get something right.......................just for once.

Skyryder

With reference to the FTA with China I dont have much empathy with it as it is costing NZers jobs. So I broadly agree with you on that.

On the fact we are not threatened well maybe not yet. But we are one of the worlds foodbowls, we have fresh water, a huge fishery zone and are a gateway to the Antarctic. To deny that we wont have a future need to have a better form of self defence and to not be in accord with our traditional allies will I think be foolhardy.

[Robert Taylor]

Yet the Strikemasters were replaced with Aermacchis. A much more economical aircraft to operate, and still able to be used for strike training.

The 'macchis were scrapped when they were still relatively new and had years of service left in them. the decision to scrap them could not have been based on cost as the costs of storing them, maitaining them to a saleable quality, and paying consultants to try and find buyers were higher than the operational costs. the only reason for disbanding the 'macchis was to please our chinese masters.

You may ( cynically ) be right on that count. Max Bradford, minister of defence in the Shipley National Govt had arranged the deal of the century on F16s to replace the ageing A4s. Only for the deal to be immediately cancelled by incoming Primemanipulator Clark, ''the great pacifist of our time''. Incidentally she was one of the protestors when the A4s arrived in NZ back in the early 70s. Its a pity the bitch wasnt assasinated before she had a chance to spread her venomous poison.

[oldrider]

You may ( cynically ) be right on that count. Max Bradford, minister of defence in the Shipley National Govt had arranged the deal of the century on F16s to replace the ageing A4s. Only for the deal to be immediately cancelled by incoming Primemanipulator Clark, ''the great pacifist of our time''. Incidentally she was one of the protestors when the A4s arrived in NZ back in the early 70s. Its a pity the bitch wasnt assasinated before she had a chance to spread her venomous poison.

So I guess you didn't like Clark then!

[rwh]

On the fact we are not threatened well maybe not yet. But we are one of the worlds foodbowls, we have fresh water, a huge fishery zone and are a gateway to the Antarctic. To deny that we wont have a future need to have a better form of self defence and to not be in accord with our traditional allies will I think be foolhardy.

The food thing I kind of agree with - though our fisheries are well connected with the rest of the pacific (the fish swim about and don't respect our boundaries), and in fact I'm not convinced we're doing any better than anyone else at preventing overfishing, so I don't think we'll have decent fish stocks for very much longer.

Richard

[scumdog]

The food thing I kind of agree with - though our fisheries are well connected with the rest of the pacific (the fish swim about and don't respect our boundaries), and in fact I'm not convinced we're doing any better than anyone else at preventing overfishing, so I don't think we'll have decent fish stocks for very much longer.

Richard

And all the 'visiting' fishermen from other countries certainly aren't helping.

[Swoop]

Even moreso since Helen bloody Clark left us defenceless, or at least showed the world we have no intent to defend ourselves.

Did you catch "Last Chance to See" on Prime, Sunday night? It was on the kakapo.
The lead-in to the story was about the simple fact that all wildlife was basically "predator free" in NZ, so the evolution of birdlife developed into flightless species (kakapo, kiwi).
The natural reaction of a kakapo, when threatened, is to remain completely still and hope that the threat goes away...

There were so many similies with the NZ defence force, now that they have been neutred by liarbour.

Even back in the '80's, the refitted HMNZS Waikato was fitted with fancy electronic gear that allowed the crew to detect incoming missiles, track them and predict when the impact would occur... but did not have the ability to stop the attack in any way, shape or form.

A lovely message to other nations.
Let's hope Australia really will come to our aid in a time of crisis. We're fucked otherwise.

[motor_mayhem]

Anyone seen this?

[specter]

Great news! Now I invite you all to break into any defence establishment in N.Z, vandalise something, and you will be fine. Plead ignorance and say it's for the greater good!

what id don't understand is this :a local "militia" broke into and damaged a NZ defense base!

if this was America and anyone entered a defense base and started breaking shit they'd all leave in a body bag!

show some balls NZ instead of being the bent over PC raped bastards you are!

[Robert Taylor]

anyone seen this?

funny but true